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World War One / Re: WW1 Rollestone No.6 Camp Salisbury Plain
« on: Tuesday 04 August 15 22:04 BST (UK) »
Thanks for posting this, what a great insight into how the soldiers lived and some of the horrors they encountered.
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World War One / Re: WW1 Rollestone No.6 Camp Salisbury Plain
« on: Tuesday 04 August 15 15:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Startt,
Thank you for posting this extract from Pte. Tingle's diary. You are so fortunate to have this amazing record. It has given me an insight into what Arthur must have experienced at Rollestone Camp. It sounds as though the training was thorough and enjoyable. As you say in your earlier post, it seems they were well-fed and looked after.
The Great War Forum and website 'The Long, Long, Trail' look extremely helpful, and I registered earlier today, hoping I might get some useful info from there as well.
Liz.
Thank you for posting this extract from Pte. Tingle's diary. You are so fortunate to have this amazing record. It has given me an insight into what Arthur must have experienced at Rollestone Camp. It sounds as though the training was thorough and enjoyable. As you say in your earlier post, it seems they were well-fed and looked after.
The Great War Forum and website 'The Long, Long, Trail' look extremely helpful, and I registered earlier today, hoping I might get some useful info from there as well.
Liz.
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World War One / Re: WW1 Rollestone No.6 Camp Salisbury Plain
« on: Tuesday 04 August 15 10:26 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for your prompt reply and advice about the Great War Forum.
From your father's experience it seems that there was no pattern to the allocation of the newly-trained soldiers from the YS Battalion to another regiment, but that they were posted to whichever regiment needed more men at the time. In a way, your father's chicken pox probably saved his life.
I didn't realise the soldiers worked 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off, I had imagined they were in the trenches all the time. I have a lot to learn!
From your father's experience it seems that there was no pattern to the allocation of the newly-trained soldiers from the YS Battalion to another regiment, but that they were posted to whichever regiment needed more men at the time. In a way, your father's chicken pox probably saved his life.
I didn't realise the soldiers worked 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off, I had imagined they were in the trenches all the time. I have a lot to learn!
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World War One / Re: WW1 Rollestone No.6 Camp Salisbury Plain
« on: Thursday 30 July 15 09:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Startt and John,
I'm hoping you are still reading these posts two years down the line ...
I was very interested in your photos of Rollestone Camp, as I'm researching a soldier called Arthur who was there in April 1918.
The soldier in your photo of the full company, second row from front, third left, looks very much like Arthur.
Unfortunately I don't know Arthur's surname. I am interested in him because he was my gran's boyfriend, and he sent her some great photos of himself and a silk postcard with Christmas greetings from Mons in 1918. From the tone of his short messages I feel sure they would have married if he had survived the war. I have made extensive searches on the CWGC graves website, plus Ancestry and FindMyPast, but without a surname it is very difficult.
The info I have about Arthur is that he was with the 53rd Young Solders' Battalion of the Hampshire Regiment and was living in Hut 20 at Rollestone Camp on 10th April 1918, when he sent a photo of himself with some of his comrades, a sergeant and lieutenant (2 stripes?). In the attached photo he is standing, far right.
Arthur would have been born around 1897-99, I am guessing he was among the younger soldiers to join up when the age limit was lowered to 18 and a half.
Bearing in mind Arthur was alive in Mons around the time the War ended, he may have returned to England as an invalid, disabled, or even may have died in the flu epidemic.
Among your list of names of soldiers in your photos, are there any Arthurs? Also do you know any more about how Rollestone Camp was organised, or the length of the training period?
Any info would be extremely welcome!
Many thanks.
I'm hoping you are still reading these posts two years down the line ...
I was very interested in your photos of Rollestone Camp, as I'm researching a soldier called Arthur who was there in April 1918.
The soldier in your photo of the full company, second row from front, third left, looks very much like Arthur.
Unfortunately I don't know Arthur's surname. I am interested in him because he was my gran's boyfriend, and he sent her some great photos of himself and a silk postcard with Christmas greetings from Mons in 1918. From the tone of his short messages I feel sure they would have married if he had survived the war. I have made extensive searches on the CWGC graves website, plus Ancestry and FindMyPast, but without a surname it is very difficult.
The info I have about Arthur is that he was with the 53rd Young Solders' Battalion of the Hampshire Regiment and was living in Hut 20 at Rollestone Camp on 10th April 1918, when he sent a photo of himself with some of his comrades, a sergeant and lieutenant (2 stripes?). In the attached photo he is standing, far right.
Arthur would have been born around 1897-99, I am guessing he was among the younger soldiers to join up when the age limit was lowered to 18 and a half.
Bearing in mind Arthur was alive in Mons around the time the War ended, he may have returned to England as an invalid, disabled, or even may have died in the flu epidemic.
Among your list of names of soldiers in your photos, are there any Arthurs? Also do you know any more about how Rollestone Camp was organised, or the length of the training period?
Any info would be extremely welcome!
Many thanks.
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England / Re: Travelling across England in early 1600s - Lancs to Suffolk
« on: Friday 10 May 13 15:34 BST (UK) »
Thank you everyone, for your inspiring ideas. There's a lot here that I now need to follow up.
I suppose if people didn't have many alternatives, then walking was considered the normal and simplest way of travelling.
I also like the idea that he may have crossed England in the north, to an east coast port, then travelled south - maybe to Lowestoft or Ipswich - by ship.
Robert's will states that some of his land in Rishangles is copyhold, and some freehold. Now, this in itself is highly complicated as my basic research has shown that there are two types of copyhold. At the time of writing his will, Robert mentions a tenant William Chittock. So that's something else to follow up.
Robert's may well have already owned this land, and he was sent south to manage it. Or perhaps it belonged to the Pulham family.
I have found previous postings on Rootschat about the Pulham family of Stradbroke, so will follow these up, too.
Whatever Robert's reasons for travelling the 200 miles he must have had a good reason - and known where he was going. Communication over such a distance must have been quite slow, and must have been done by messengers or personal visits (more expense).
Thanks again everyone - I will be off line now for a few days, but will check this post again as soon as I can.
Sue
I suppose if people didn't have many alternatives, then walking was considered the normal and simplest way of travelling.
I also like the idea that he may have crossed England in the north, to an east coast port, then travelled south - maybe to Lowestoft or Ipswich - by ship.
Robert's will states that some of his land in Rishangles is copyhold, and some freehold. Now, this in itself is highly complicated as my basic research has shown that there are two types of copyhold. At the time of writing his will, Robert mentions a tenant William Chittock. So that's something else to follow up.
Robert's may well have already owned this land, and he was sent south to manage it. Or perhaps it belonged to the Pulham family.
I have found previous postings on Rootschat about the Pulham family of Stradbroke, so will follow these up, too.
Whatever Robert's reasons for travelling the 200 miles he must have had a good reason - and known where he was going. Communication over such a distance must have been quite slow, and must have been done by messengers or personal visits (more expense).
Thanks again everyone - I will be off line now for a few days, but will check this post again as soon as I can.
Sue
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England / Re: Travelling across England in early 1600s - Lancs to Suffolk
« on: Friday 10 May 13 11:47 BST (UK) »
KGarrad - thanks for that interesting thought. I hadn't considered stage coaches as I always associated them with the 1700s. I will look into it further. After all, coaching inns existed in Shakespeare's time.
This reminds me of something that other Rootschatters might find of interest: I was recently recommended the book "Shakespeare's Local" by Pete Brown. It's a history of the George Inn at Southwark - London's only remaining galleried pub.
This reminds me of something that other Rootschatters might find of interest: I was recently recommended the book "Shakespeare's Local" by Pete Brown. It's a history of the George Inn at Southwark - London's only remaining galleried pub.
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England / Re: Travelling across England in early 1600s - Lancs to Suffolk
« on: Friday 10 May 13 11:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Susan,
Thanks for your greeting from Euxton - you're my first contact as I only started posting on Rootschat a few days ago.
It's raining here in Suffolk too.
Re. correct pronounciation of 'Euxton': when I first discovered that my ancestor came from this place, the LDS records on FamilySearch said it was in Lincolnshire (just shows you can't rely on unsourced records!). I searched everywhere for this mythical place before I realised that my ancestor had written it as he had heard it. He had probably never seen it written anywhere else.
Our ancestors never cease to confuse us!
Sue
Thanks for your greeting from Euxton - you're my first contact as I only started posting on Rootschat a few days ago.
It's raining here in Suffolk too.
Re. correct pronounciation of 'Euxton': when I first discovered that my ancestor came from this place, the LDS records on FamilySearch said it was in Lincolnshire (just shows you can't rely on unsourced records!). I searched everywhere for this mythical place before I realised that my ancestor had written it as he had heard it. He had probably never seen it written anywhere else.
Our ancestors never cease to confuse us!
Sue
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England / Travelling across England in early 1600s - Lancs to Suffolk
« on: Friday 10 May 13 09:37 BST (UK) »
We often complain about traffic jams and the horrors of driving in Britain nowadays, but what was it like to travel a long distance in the early 1600s?
I am fortunate that the history of my Clayton ancestors is well-documented (e.g. 'The Manors of Suffolk' and White's 'East Anglian Notes' plus various wills) having been sourced from C18 accounts written by a member of the Clayton family.
From these I learnt that my 10 x Gt. Grandfather, Robert Clayton, came from Euxton (pronounced and often spelt 'Exton') in Lancashire and, in October 1603, married Susan Pulham in Stradbroke, Suffolk. They settled in Southolt, Suffolk.
Lancashire to Suffolk is not the easiest route. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how Robert undertook this journey - he may have sailed around the coast from Liverpool, or travelled across country on a horse - and secondly, why? Was it an arranged marriage, or had he already moved to Suffolk before he met Susan? His will states that he held property in the Manor of Rishangles, Suffolk, which suggests that he did not have a trade or vocation, although several of his descendants were clergymen.
Any thoughts welcome!
Thanks - Sue
I am fortunate that the history of my Clayton ancestors is well-documented (e.g. 'The Manors of Suffolk' and White's 'East Anglian Notes' plus various wills) having been sourced from C18 accounts written by a member of the Clayton family.
From these I learnt that my 10 x Gt. Grandfather, Robert Clayton, came from Euxton (pronounced and often spelt 'Exton') in Lancashire and, in October 1603, married Susan Pulham in Stradbroke, Suffolk. They settled in Southolt, Suffolk.
Lancashire to Suffolk is not the easiest route. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how Robert undertook this journey - he may have sailed around the coast from Liverpool, or travelled across country on a horse - and secondly, why? Was it an arranged marriage, or had he already moved to Suffolk before he met Susan? His will states that he held property in the Manor of Rishangles, Suffolk, which suggests that he did not have a trade or vocation, although several of his descendants were clergymen.
Any thoughts welcome!
Thanks - Sue
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Herefordshire / Re: Orphanage/childrens home Ledbury
« on: Wednesday 08 May 13 22:34 BST (UK) »
There was also a Boys' Home in Eardisley. My granddad and his brother, who were both born in Ledbury, went there in 1901 after their mother died. I'm not sure whether it was still running in 1924 but I may be able to look this up for you in a book published by the Eardisley History Society.
When in 2005 I enquired about the orphanage to the Herefordshire Record Office, the senior archivist Mr. Rhys Griffith found records of an orphanage that was set up in Eardisley in 1885 by Lady Perry Herrick. However, the attendance records for this no longer exist. He replied to my email as follows:
“According to the Post Office directory for Herefordshire of 1900 there was an orphanage for 14 boys in Eardisley, which had been established in 1885. I have checked the indexes to our holdings but have found no references to the home. It would appear that no records have survived." (However it is listed in census returns).
Eventually Eardisley History Soc. told me that the Boys' Home was opposite the Tram Inn, in what is perhaps the village's oldest and grandest building, now known as The Holme. It was built as a Medieval hall house in the 15th century. In 2007 the owners kindly showed us around the house, and it is interesting to see that the bedroom doors still bear the room numbers that were painted on when it was an orphanage. The house belonged to the Perry-Herrick family, who were lords of the manor, and this is the source of the story handed down through my granddad's side of the family that his education had been paid for by the lady of the manor!
When in 2005 I enquired about the orphanage to the Herefordshire Record Office, the senior archivist Mr. Rhys Griffith found records of an orphanage that was set up in Eardisley in 1885 by Lady Perry Herrick. However, the attendance records for this no longer exist. He replied to my email as follows:
“According to the Post Office directory for Herefordshire of 1900 there was an orphanage for 14 boys in Eardisley, which had been established in 1885. I have checked the indexes to our holdings but have found no references to the home. It would appear that no records have survived." (However it is listed in census returns).
Eventually Eardisley History Soc. told me that the Boys' Home was opposite the Tram Inn, in what is perhaps the village's oldest and grandest building, now known as The Holme. It was built as a Medieval hall house in the 15th century. In 2007 the owners kindly showed us around the house, and it is interesting to see that the bedroom doors still bear the room numbers that were painted on when it was an orphanage. The house belonged to the Perry-Herrick family, who were lords of the manor, and this is the source of the story handed down through my granddad's side of the family that his education had been paid for by the lady of the manor!
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