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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Ancestry Thrulines connects to the aunt of same name
« on: Sunday 14 December 25 16:55 GMT (UK)  »
As you say, the thruline is a suggested connection and in this case you have established that the suggestion is wrong.  No shortcuts that I'm aware of, you'll have to weave him in to your tree the long way.  In time Ancestry may reference your tree and change the thruline, there again if yours is the only tree on Ancestry showing this particular relationship then the impression I get is that Ancestry will believe the majority.

If I'm understanding what you've written correctly, Jack Henry isn't your 1863 Mary Eliza's nephew, he's the next generation down.  He would be her nephew if he was the son of William H C, you say he's the son of one of William H C's daughters.

Jane :-)

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The Common Room / Re: I am Related to Someone Famous!
« on: Saturday 13 December 25 14:32 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Zaphod99 on Saturday 13 December 25 13:50 GMT (UK)
Jane, what are the problems with your experience of using AI for ancestry?

I realise that there are lots of inaccurate trees which grow through hoovering up each and every hint thrown at them, and AI can't be blamed for them, but I'm guessing Ancestry uses those very dubious trees to train its AI, so we get into a self-fulfilling loop.

My family connection to the original subject of this thread depended on a birth to a 65 year old woman two or three centuries ago.  Really?

I'm not against AI per se but I am amused by Ancestry's use of it, that's all.  And if it's not using AI to make these connections then the software really should have some basic checks built in to throw out births to infant and long deceased mothers at least.

Jane :-)

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The Common Room / Re: I am Related to Someone Famous!
« on: Saturday 13 December 25 13:48 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Ray T on Saturday 13 December 25 12:56 GMT (UK)
Go back far enough and you’re likely to be related to everybody.

Hi Cousin  :D

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The Common Room / Re: I am Related to Someone Famous!
« on: Saturday 13 December 25 10:39 GMT (UK)  »
Today's famous ancestor is Katherine Hepburn.  At least I've heard of her but I think I'd know if she was an ancestor, as opposed to possibly a distant relative  ;D

Ancestry's wonderful (?) AI doesn't seem to understand much about biology (lots of infant and seriously geriatric mothers) or geography.

Jane :-)

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The Common Room / Re: Ministry of Defence Fiasco
« on: Saturday 13 December 25 08:22 GMT (UK)  »
Deleted, replied to wrong post  ::)

Jane :-)

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The Common Room / I am Related to Someone Famous!
« on: Friday 12 December 25 18:34 GMT (UK)  »
And please excuse my ignorance, but I've never heard of him.

I have the Ancestry app on my phone and decided to explore it.  Under "Insights" it says I am ("am" not "may be") related to George Wheeler.  There is absolutely no doubt about it, Ancestry say it's true so it must be.  He is my half 7C5R and (quote) "was a prominent American explorer who extensively surveyed and documented the western United States in the late 19th century".

Helpfully, Ancestry give the thruline, although it's not possible to view sources or even locations for the individuals named.  My own ancestors go back to a man born in London in about 1773.  I think I know his parents but not certain of his mother's maiden name.  Ancestry have come up with a woman with plausible looking dates and the right christian name and followed her line back another 5 gens to a man born 1599 who was apparently an English immigrant to Massachusetts in 1635.  He was the son of a Sir, who is presumably the gateway ancestor who enables Ancestry to come up with this twaddle and present it as truth.  Going down the other thruline "leg", Massachusetts Man had a brother born 1602 who was the direct ancestor of George Wheeler the famous surveyor by way of several generations including a woman who gave birth at the age of 65 (I'd expect her to be the famous one!)

I shan't be adding this garbage to my tree.

Jane :-)

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The Common Room / Re: Probate Orders (the last minute ones)
« on: Tuesday 09 December 25 08:19 GMT (UK)  »
I'm in a similar position to Jomot.

Jane :-)

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Ancestry Thrulines
« on: Tuesday 09 December 25 08:18 GMT (UK)  »
Didn't think of that Josephine, now I have the same earworm!  I suppose old Hickory might be responsible for some of my NPEs  ;)

Jane :-)

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Ancestry Thrulines
« on: Monday 08 December 25 20:42 GMT (UK)  »
My own tree is deep and wide, which means that most matches where ancestry suggest a thruline are easily "placed" as I already have them in my offline tree.  Even if they're using an alias, so it's not clear which particular sibling they are, I know they are the son or dau of a particular couple.

Sometimes the thrulines are wrong, most commonly because of a skipped generation, but I don't think I have any matches where anc has suggested a thruline and I've not been able to either agree it or come up with a close alternative (I'm not including the private individuals who are the root people of entirely private 7 person trees).

Matches with no suggested thruline are a different matter, particularly small matches using aliases, but although it's been a slog, building my tree deep and wide is definitely paying off.

Jane :-)

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