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The Common Room / Autobiography of Francis Austen, Naval Admiral & brother of Jane Austen released
« on: Wednesday 23 April 25 17:21 BST (UK)  »
The autobiography of Francis Austen has been released.

It was transcribed by volunteers for Jane Austen House. It’s available to read for free.

I think it will be of interest to navy history buffs and others. Be warned that it contains descriptions of violence.

https://janeaustens.house/news/frank-austen-transcript-complete/

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Cooper or Corker?
« on: Wednesday 02 April 25 01:10 BST (UK)  »
Having explored this all further, thanks to your help, I found that Charles had a younger brother called Samuel born 1841.

He married and then named a son, Samuel Cooper Hibbard, in 1868.

He also has the habit of randomly using middle names and then not. On different census records, one or two of his kids get middle names, and then not on others, seemingly at random.

So clearly Cooper meant something to the family. I may never know.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Cooper or Corker?
« on: Tuesday 01 April 25 19:50 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for your help everyone, this is really clearing things up.

I always seem to get the one family member with a discrepancy when I am doing my tree!

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The Common Room / Re: Is it the real mother on the baptism record?
« on: Tuesday 01 April 25 18:03 BST (UK)  »
I suppose it is possible, though I believe it would be illegal. Both in secular and church law.

I think that the named birth mother leaving, isn’t necessarily strong proof that she wasn’t the actual birth mother. I’ve seen examples in my own family tree of birth mothers leaving a child with relatives.

Sometimes it was because it made more financial sense for them to go and work and have the child looked after by relatives.

Sometimes it was because they married and the husband wasn’t willing to have another mans child in their house.

Sometimes they just weren’t good mothers, and just upped and left.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Cooper or Corker?
« on: Tuesday 01 April 25 17:38 BST (UK)  »
Hi everyone,

I’m looking at a Frederick Hibbard, born approx 1870. (see below for note on marriage age)

Name issue

I have a marriage record for him, 28 September 1890, in Sheffield, where he married an Anne Elizabeth Garfitt.

I’m trying to work out his fathers name. Is it Charles Cooper Hibbard, or Corker or something else?

I can’t find a record for a Charles Cooper, or Corker Hibbard which doesn’t help.

Secondly, I believe that the age at marriage on this record is incorrect. Every other record I have for Frederick has him being born about 1870, including subsequent census records including 1939. Which makes me wonder if the father’s middle name is an error too.

Here are the details for the subsequent records I have for Frederick.

1891 Census - Age 20 (1870 birth date)

Sub registration district   North Sheffield
ED, Institution or Vessel   29
Neighbors   View others on page
Piece   3821
Folio   18

1901 Census - Age 30 (1870 birth date)

Sub-registration district   Ecclesall Bierlow
ED, institution, or vessel   49
Neighbors   View others on page
Piece   4354
Folio   141
Page number   40
Household schedule number   25

1911 Census - Age 40

Country   England
Street Address   380 Sharrow Vale Rd
Marital Status   Married
Occupation   Eldur & Gilder
Registration District Number   509
Sub-registration district   Ecclesall South
ED, institution, or vessel   12
Piece   27790


1921 Census - Age 51

Enumeration District Name   Sheffield Cb
Enumeration District   5
Schedule   14
Schedule Type Code   E

1939 - Birthdate of June 1870

Enumeration District   Ncco
Borough   Blackpool
Registration District   477-1.
Inferred Spouse   Ann E Hibbard

Here are the census records that I believe date from before his marriage and show him with his family

On both of these, his ‘father’ is just Charles Hibbard, no mention of another name. But the professions line up.

1871 - Age nine months

Sub-registration district   South Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel   16
Household schedule number   110
Piece   4686
Folio   86
Page number   18

1881 - Age 10

Registration District   Ecclesall Bierlow
ED, institution, or vessel   40
Neighbors   View others on page
Piece   4636
Folio   134
Page number   24

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Norfolk / Re: Understanding Runton, Norfolk
« on: Tuesday 30 July 24 23:16 BST (UK)  »
Thank you very much @berkeley.

It is very kind of you, but I wouldn’t want to put you out. I’m not expecting much in the way of monuments or grave stones as I believe the family was relatively poor. Also, our branch deviated from the Strangleman branch after the Samuel I mentioned below. I’m sure the Alice you mentioned is a relative, but not a direct one.

Thank you again, it is very kind but I wouldn’t want you to go to all that effort.

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Norfolk / Re: Understanding Runton, Norfolk
« on: Monday 29 July 24 19:34 BST (UK)  »
Thank you very much to everyone who helped me with this. I really do appreciate it.

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Norfolk / Understanding Runton, Norfolk
« on: Sunday 28 July 24 01:05 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I am trying to plan a bit of a family history trip to Norfolk, to follow one of my husband’s branches.

He’s got a branch with some history in Runton, Norfolk.

I would like to visit the church where the various hatches, matches and dispatches happened, but looking at the records, and online, I’m confused about where those would have happened and which Church it would have been.

When I look online, there is a West Runton and an East Runton, but that distinction doesn’t seem to have been made in the parish records.

For example

Alice Goss

She was born approx 1762 and baptised on the 21st February 1762. I am on Ancestry and can only see a transcript, but it simply says ‘Runton’.

She married a Samuel Strangleman on the 11th October 1781, which I can see a Bishop’s transcript for, but again it just says ‘Parish of Runton’.

She may also have been buried there, but I’m not certain of that.

So which Church would these events have been happening in. Is there even more than one? I’m a bit lost.

Thank you

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Norfolk / Re: Samuel England baptism question
« on: Thursday 27 June 24 17:31 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much to everyone who has helped with this.

It’s all very interesting. I do wonder why his baptism was forgotten until he was an adult, unlike all his siblings.

One of his elder sisters seems to have been baptised on the day she was born. It’s one of those rarer records where date of birth is added as well as baptism date. The other children whose birthdates are noted on the same page, have a gap between birth and baptism. So I’d assumed it was one of those emergency cases where there was some concern the baby might not survive.

I wonder if something similar happened to Samuel, but there was some concern that it never happened or it was recorded properly.

It’s all very interesting, thank you.

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