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Dublin / Re: Marriages of Mary Mason to John Quinn and John Butler
« on: Monday 01 April 13 22:16 BST (UK) »
ok will do that first.
Thanks for all your help
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Dublin / Re: Marriages of Mary Mason to John Quinn and John Butler
« on: Monday 01 April 13 20:52 BST (UK) »
Hello MyLuck
The MASON?/DOYLE connection is completely wrong. I realised that today.
My MARY MASON'S sister ESTHER definitely married JOE LAMBERT. My dad talks of them and we have the photos of Mary and Essie when they were newly married with their children playing on Shankill beach. The two families were closely intertwined and were living in Shankill where my dad and his siblings were born and grew up.
Granny Butler (as known after she married Jack) even had 4 of the Quinn children live with her as the family grew larger.
Essie took in a nurse child called Peter Dean.
So I have confused things! As if they were not confusing enough! LOL.....
The MASON?/DOYLE connection is completely wrong. I realised that today.
My MARY MASON'S sister ESTHER definitely married JOE LAMBERT. My dad talks of them and we have the photos of Mary and Essie when they were newly married with their children playing on Shankill beach. The two families were closely intertwined and were living in Shankill where my dad and his siblings were born and grew up.
Granny Butler (as known after she married Jack) even had 4 of the Quinn children live with her as the family grew larger.
Essie took in a nurse child called Peter Dean.
So I have confused things! As if they were not confusing enough! LOL.....
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Dublin / Re: Marriages of Mary Mason to John Quinn and John Butler
« on: Monday 01 April 13 17:41 BST (UK) »
I think the Catherine Doyle/ Patrick Mason marriage cert is the wrong one 
Many similarities.... Masterton for the father and Loughlinstown .
On the census return of 1911, JOHN BUTLER is listed as born in MOUNTRALOW. I cannot find this place in Ireland, but a suggestion was MOUNTBELLEW in GALWAY. I have found a couple of matches that come up on Familysearch, for a birth in 1879, which I believe is his birth year. On the census he was 32, so the date matches.
Many similarities.... Masterton for the father and Loughlinstown .
On the census return of 1911, JOHN BUTLER is listed as born in MOUNTRALOW. I cannot find this place in Ireland, but a suggestion was MOUNTBELLEW in GALWAY. I have found a couple of matches that come up on Familysearch, for a birth in 1879, which I believe is his birth year. On the census he was 32, so the date matches.
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Dublin / Re: Marriages of Mary Mason to John Quinn and John Butler
« on: Monday 01 April 13 15:19 BST (UK) »
Cheers MyLuck for the extra info.
I never knew about the brother MICHAEL. Also to say, the daughter MARY A, must also have died as Patrick and Catherine had my Mary on 16th July 1882! Would it have been unusual to re use the same name?
I got my church marriage record for them from ROOTSIRELAND.
15th July 1868
Parish/district of BALLYBRACK.
PATRICK MASON to CATHERINE DOYLE (was she widowed)? both of LOUGHLINSTOWN
Husbands father PATRICK MASON Wife's father JAMES MASTERSON
Patrick from KILGUADE Catherine from BALLYBRACK
Both mother's are un-recorded.
Witness 1: Mary Mason
Witness 2: Simon Brian.
Also, here is the headstone erected by Esther Mason in RATHMICHAEL old cemetery
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/dublin-rathmichael-old/target26.html
As you said, it seems odd that neither marriage is listed anywhere. I know from relatives still living, she was very religious, so would expect everything to be above board!
The search continues!
P.S. I also have from ROOTSIRELAND a baptism cert for CATHERINE
No date of birth recorded.
Baptism 29th March 1846
Parish district of BOOTERSTOWN BLACKROCK and DUNDRUM
Father JOHN MASTERSON (on marriage cert it is JAMES)
Mother MARGARET (surname not recorded)
Sponsor 1: Patrick Tanner
Sponsor 2 : Ellen Hugues
I never knew about the brother MICHAEL. Also to say, the daughter MARY A, must also have died as Patrick and Catherine had my Mary on 16th July 1882! Would it have been unusual to re use the same name?
I got my church marriage record for them from ROOTSIRELAND.
15th July 1868
Parish/district of BALLYBRACK.
PATRICK MASON to CATHERINE DOYLE (was she widowed)? both of LOUGHLINSTOWN
Husbands father PATRICK MASON Wife's father JAMES MASTERSON
Patrick from KILGUADE Catherine from BALLYBRACK
Both mother's are un-recorded.
Witness 1: Mary Mason
Witness 2: Simon Brian.
Also, here is the headstone erected by Esther Mason in RATHMICHAEL old cemetery
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/dublin-rathmichael-old/target26.html
As you said, it seems odd that neither marriage is listed anywhere. I know from relatives still living, she was very religious, so would expect everything to be above board!
The search continues!
P.S. I also have from ROOTSIRELAND a baptism cert for CATHERINE
No date of birth recorded.
Baptism 29th March 1846
Parish district of BOOTERSTOWN BLACKROCK and DUNDRUM
Father JOHN MASTERSON (on marriage cert it is JAMES)
Mother MARGARET (surname not recorded)
Sponsor 1: Patrick Tanner
Sponsor 2 : Ellen Hugues
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Dublin / Re: Marriages of Mary Mason to John Quinn and John Butler
« on: Sunday 31 March 13 16:30 BST (UK) »
I have just entered the information into Familysearch.org and came up with two marriages for a Mary Mason in Dublin south.
One in April-June 1901, the other in Jan-Mar 1903. Unfortunately there is no spouse listed and when I enter the same info for John Quinn, there is no cross match :-(.
Yes, Mary's sister Esther married Joseph Lambert. Funnily enough, I have quite a bit on the family as I found a headstone erected in Rathmichael old cemetery by Esther and it lists parents and children that had died also!
I am starting to suspect that Mary NEVER married John Quinn, as he was known as a "bad sort" anyway!
The John Quinn living in Sallynoggin Road on the 1901, appears many times in prison on the 1911 census returns!
Maybe this is him.....
One in April-June 1901, the other in Jan-Mar 1903. Unfortunately there is no spouse listed and when I enter the same info for John Quinn, there is no cross match :-(.
Yes, Mary's sister Esther married Joseph Lambert. Funnily enough, I have quite a bit on the family as I found a headstone erected in Rathmichael old cemetery by Esther and it lists parents and children that had died also!
I am starting to suspect that Mary NEVER married John Quinn, as he was known as a "bad sort" anyway!
The John Quinn living in Sallynoggin Road on the 1901, appears many times in prison on the 1911 census returns!
Maybe this is him.....
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Dublin / Re: Marriages of Mary Mason to John Quinn and John Butler
« on: Saturday 30 March 13 21:37 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the help MyLuck!
Seems I have a lot to learn in regards to genealogy research. Will remember the search for other relations might reveal more clues.
Seems I have a lot to learn in regards to genealogy research. Will remember the search for other relations might reveal more clues.
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Dublin / Re: Domestic servant records
« on: Saturday 30 March 13 00:43 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Carole.
That is what I suspected. what a shame.
Guess there were no tax records or references such like today...
That is what I suspected. what a shame.
Guess there were no tax records or references such like today...
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Dublin / Domestic servant records
« on: Friday 29 March 13 20:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,
Thank you for your help so far......
Does anyone know if there are any registers/records of domestic staff in the 1900's.
Am looking for Mary Mason at 16 Marlborough Road, Glasthule. I am thinking that this may be my g. grandmother. Am hoping any such record might clarify this.
Regards
Tracy Quinn
Thank you for your help so far......
Does anyone know if there are any registers/records of domestic staff in the 1900's.
Am looking for Mary Mason at 16 Marlborough Road, Glasthule. I am thinking that this may be my g. grandmother. Am hoping any such record might clarify this.
Regards
Tracy Quinn
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Dublin / Re: Marriages of Mary Mason to John Quinn and John Butler
« on: Friday 29 March 13 20:14 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the reminder Dathai.....I know sometimes these things in geneology research are never cut and dried!
The 1901 census:
I think there may be a match between Mary Mason a servant at Marlborough Road, Glasthule, aged 18 and John Quinn aged 25 and a labourer at Sallynoggin Road, Glasthule.
The age for Mary according to her birthdate and when the census was taken would have made her 18 at the time.
The 1901 census:
I think there may be a match between Mary Mason a servant at Marlborough Road, Glasthule, aged 18 and John Quinn aged 25 and a labourer at Sallynoggin Road, Glasthule.
The age for Mary according to her birthdate and when the census was taken would have made her 18 at the time.
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