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Ireland / Re: How do I find records of Irish people in Demerara c1800's?
« on: Thursday 27 March 14 10:58 GMT (UK) »
That is awesome Nettie! Thank you so much!!I can't wait to have a read through.
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Ireland / How do I find records of Irish people in Demerara c1800's?
« on: Wednesday 26 March 14 01:12 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
Would anyone know how I would go about finding records of Irish people in Demerara (British Guiana) in the 1800's? Birth, death, shipping?? Or if it is even possible??
Many thanks!
Would anyone know how I would go about finding records of Irish people in Demerara (British Guiana) in the 1800's? Birth, death, shipping?? Or if it is even possible??
Many thanks!
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Antrim / Re: where in Lisburn?
« on: Monday 28 October 13 19:47 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much!
I feel a little foolish-the answer was so simple and I thought I was a pretty good googler.
That just leaves "The Crane". This is the context of the place I am working with. From the Belfast Newsletter 1770.
"Removed – John Brown, Hardware Merchant, has removed from the shop he formerly possessed in Lisburn, to Mr. Mussen's Shop at the Crane, opposite the Wheat Market; where he intends carrying on his business as formerly..."
Any ideas?
I feel a little foolish-the answer was so simple and I thought I was a pretty good googler.
That just leaves "The Crane". This is the context of the place I am working with. From the Belfast Newsletter 1770.
"Removed – John Brown, Hardware Merchant, has removed from the shop he formerly possessed in Lisburn, to Mr. Mussen's Shop at the Crane, opposite the Wheat Market; where he intends carrying on his business as formerly..."
Any ideas?
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Antrim / where in Lisburn?
« on: Monday 28 October 13 15:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,
I am hoping someone may know where "Corn Market" and "The Crane" were in Lisburn in the mid 1700's? Any ideas would be great!!
Many thanks!
I am hoping someone may know where "Corn Market" and "The Crane" were in Lisburn in the mid 1700's? Any ideas would be great!!
Many thanks!
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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Collins family of Longfield, Desertmartin
« on: Monday 21 October 13 01:13 BST (UK) »The 1911 Census ties in some data and clarifies some.
Aghadowey mentioned that the 1901 census had a Stewart Collins visiting a John Hassan. Also the 1901 census had John Collins and wife Agnes living at Longfield
I had a sister of Stewart and John married to Alexander H Mussen.
What the 1911 census shows is the family of John Collins and Agnes. Their oldest daughter is named Martha Mussen Collins so these all show a close relationship between the Mussens and the Collins as well as tying together the information about John and Stewart and Agnes. The 1911 census shows Agnes' parents living with them and this shows he maiden name to be Smyth.
Regards
Dave
Hi Dave,
I have Martha W. Collins marrying Alexander Mussen 20 Aug 1899 Largy P, Limavady. She must have died soon after as Alexander is found remarrying in the US in 1902. Do you have any records of her death or any other Mussen family information.
Thank you! G.
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Antrim / Burial register question
« on: Tuesday 09 April 13 23:51 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I have had the opportunity to go through the burial records for Magheragall COI 1825-1840. In doing so, I am left with a question - did all burials get entered into the register. I ask this as I noticed many entries for elderly people, less for middle aged people and even fewer for children. When considering the general high mortality rate, especially for children, I am left scratching my head.
Does any one have any knowledge that could enlighten me? Did people have to pay to have an "official" entry made in the register? Did families bury on their own property if they didn't own a plot at the church?
I would appreciate any information to help me understand the discrepancy.
Thank you!!
I have had the opportunity to go through the burial records for Magheragall COI 1825-1840. In doing so, I am left with a question - did all burials get entered into the register. I ask this as I noticed many entries for elderly people, less for middle aged people and even fewer for children. When considering the general high mortality rate, especially for children, I am left scratching my head.
Does any one have any knowledge that could enlighten me? Did people have to pay to have an "official" entry made in the register? Did families bury on their own property if they didn't own a plot at the church?
I would appreciate any information to help me understand the discrepancy.
Thank you!!
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Antrim / Re: Where might I find more information?
« on: Saturday 16 March 13 01:23 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks again,
I will review your changes. I had an interesting day following the links you provided
And thank you as well; you are the first person I have met who recognises that the Mussens were not part of the Huguenot migration into Ireland. They were in England much earlier than that.
Have a wonderful day!
I will review your changes. I had an interesting day following the links you provided
And thank you as well; you are the first person I have met who recognises that the Mussens were not part of the Huguenot migration into Ireland. They were in England much earlier than that.
Have a wonderful day!
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Antrim / Re: Where might I find more information?
« on: Saturday 16 March 13 01:20 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks again,
I will review your changes. I had an interesting day following the links you provided
And thank you as well; you are the first person I have met who recognises that the Mussens were not part of the Huguenot migration into Ireland. They were in England much earlier than that.
Have a wonderful day!
I will review your changes. I had an interesting day following the links you provided
And thank you as well; you are the first person I have met who recognises that the Mussens were not part of the Huguenot migration into Ireland. They were in England much earlier than that.
Have a wonderful day!
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Antrim / Re: Where might I find more information?
« on: Friday 15 March 13 15:31 GMT (UK) »
Thank you!
Wow! This information with links is amazing! Thank you doesn't seem enough but will have to do.
I will enjoy going through them today.
I have thoroughly collected all the Mussens from the Lisburn and Derriaghy registers. But as you say, there are huge gaps in information. I have collectedso many stray "Mussen" people that I need to weave into the family tree somehow!
With regard to Rev. William Mussen - he is elusive!! You would think if his daughter married into such an accomplished family there would be something more to be found about him. I have done some research into the Echlins. I was very surprised - and more determined to solve the Rev. mystery - as Agnes and Henry Echlin's granddaughter Agnes married Rev. Philip Gayer of Derriaghy! Then 3 of their daughters married men of some significance in Lisburn.
I also have an Esther Allen, daughter of James Allen, Esq., of Kircubbin. Her brother was John ECHLIN Allen (source mother Margaret's will 1787). Esther Allen married a Mussen.
With regard to the Ormond's, I found this little tidbit to add to the evergrowing list of tantalizing yet frustrating bits of information.
1665 March 10 Dublin Castle – RICHARD MUSSEN admitted as Trumpeter to Marquis of Ormonde.
"That wereas your Grace hath been favourably pleased to admit your petitioner into the number of his Majestie's Trumpets attending to your Grace, in the place of Robert Burgesse, deceased, he is given to understand that he cannot be settled in the establishment of Ireland soe as to receive his salary without a warrant for that purpose from your Grace or the Lord Chamberlaine of his Majestie's Household. Your petitioner therefore humbly prays that your Grace will be favourably pleased either to grant him your Grace's warrant for that purpose or recommend him to the said Lord Chamberlaine for his warrant, as to your Grace shall seeme most convenient. And he as in duty bound shall pray."
"Dublin Castle, the 10 March 1665[6] – We having been pleased to admit the petitioner Trumpet in the place of Robert Burgesse above named, we think fit and do hereby order that his Majestie's Auditor General shall take notice thereof and enter him instead of the said Robert Burgesse, and make forth debentures unto him from the death of said Burgesse, from time to time, for such entertainment as was allowed unto the said Burgesse upon the civil lyst of the establishment. – Ormonde"
1667 – from "The Manuscripts of the Marquis of Ormonde, preserved at the Castle Kilkenny"
Oct 11, 1667 – A list of officers and soldiers of the King's Guard of Horse. Trumpeters: Henry Thure,
Peter Leake, Francis Barton, William Casteile, Alexander Jackson, RICHARD MUSSON.
The King's Musik – a transcript of records relating to music and musicians by: Henry Cart de la Fontaine
1668[9] Feb 3
Bryan Quinne appointed trumpeter in ordinary to attend the Duke of Ormond in Ireland in the place which Robert Burgesse and RICHARD MUSSON lately enjoyed. L.C. Vol 479, pg 105
1668 – Richard Mussen - Source: Deputy Keeper of Ireland, Index to the Act or Grant Books, and to Original Wills of the Diocese of Dublin 1272 – 1858 (26th, 30th &31st reports, 1894, 1899)
I truly apprecate the time and effort you took to put together such a helpful reply. It is frustrating to have such information and be unable to follow up on it with any good results - so far.
You are awesome!
George
Wow! This information with links is amazing! Thank you doesn't seem enough but will have to do.
I will enjoy going through them today.
I have thoroughly collected all the Mussens from the Lisburn and Derriaghy registers. But as you say, there are huge gaps in information. I have collectedso many stray "Mussen" people that I need to weave into the family tree somehow!
With regard to Rev. William Mussen - he is elusive!! You would think if his daughter married into such an accomplished family there would be something more to be found about him. I have done some research into the Echlins. I was very surprised - and more determined to solve the Rev. mystery - as Agnes and Henry Echlin's granddaughter Agnes married Rev. Philip Gayer of Derriaghy! Then 3 of their daughters married men of some significance in Lisburn.
I also have an Esther Allen, daughter of James Allen, Esq., of Kircubbin. Her brother was John ECHLIN Allen (source mother Margaret's will 1787). Esther Allen married a Mussen.
With regard to the Ormond's, I found this little tidbit to add to the evergrowing list of tantalizing yet frustrating bits of information.
1665 March 10 Dublin Castle – RICHARD MUSSEN admitted as Trumpeter to Marquis of Ormonde.
"That wereas your Grace hath been favourably pleased to admit your petitioner into the number of his Majestie's Trumpets attending to your Grace, in the place of Robert Burgesse, deceased, he is given to understand that he cannot be settled in the establishment of Ireland soe as to receive his salary without a warrant for that purpose from your Grace or the Lord Chamberlaine of his Majestie's Household. Your petitioner therefore humbly prays that your Grace will be favourably pleased either to grant him your Grace's warrant for that purpose or recommend him to the said Lord Chamberlaine for his warrant, as to your Grace shall seeme most convenient. And he as in duty bound shall pray."
"Dublin Castle, the 10 March 1665[6] – We having been pleased to admit the petitioner Trumpet in the place of Robert Burgesse above named, we think fit and do hereby order that his Majestie's Auditor General shall take notice thereof and enter him instead of the said Robert Burgesse, and make forth debentures unto him from the death of said Burgesse, from time to time, for such entertainment as was allowed unto the said Burgesse upon the civil lyst of the establishment. – Ormonde"
1667 – from "The Manuscripts of the Marquis of Ormonde, preserved at the Castle Kilkenny"
Oct 11, 1667 – A list of officers and soldiers of the King's Guard of Horse. Trumpeters: Henry Thure,
Peter Leake, Francis Barton, William Casteile, Alexander Jackson, RICHARD MUSSON.
The King's Musik – a transcript of records relating to music and musicians by: Henry Cart de la Fontaine
1668[9] Feb 3
Bryan Quinne appointed trumpeter in ordinary to attend the Duke of Ormond in Ireland in the place which Robert Burgesse and RICHARD MUSSON lately enjoyed. L.C. Vol 479, pg 105
1668 – Richard Mussen - Source: Deputy Keeper of Ireland, Index to the Act or Grant Books, and to Original Wills of the Diocese of Dublin 1272 – 1858 (26th, 30th &31st reports, 1894, 1899)
I truly apprecate the time and effort you took to put together such a helpful reply. It is frustrating to have such information and be unable to follow up on it with any good results - so far.
You are awesome!
George
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