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The Common Room / Re: Ancestor possibly using an assumed name?
« on: Wednesday 23 February 22 09:41 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, yes I am wondering if I've been reading more into this that might be the case.  Sophia had children with both Henry and James but its curious that she reverted to using Henry's surname almost immediately James had died, and while her children with James were still living with her.  There's probably nothing in it but it just fascinates me.

Thanks.


I have ancestor who had an alias -- thougt it might be to do with his convict history. After 40 years of thinking so, newly released records enabled me to determine that his widowed mother remarried to a man with the alias surname when he was young.  So he had his birth name but was also known by his step-dad's surname.

I had a twice widowed ancestor who reverted to her first husband's surname because she had no children with the second man and i guess it stopped her having to explain her relationship to her children constantly.

We all assume aliases imply something sinister but basically all it means is that you are known by a different name. Lots of married women these days use both their married surname and their maiden names at various times -- not to mention the ordinary mispronunciations and misrecordings every day such as by shop assistants etc

We must remember too that amongst the people with the greatest number of aliases are the royal family and nobility -- only for them it is dignified by being called titles and not just aliases.

Regards
pH

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestor possibly using an assumed name?
« on: Wednesday 23 February 22 09:38 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jon,

Yes i saw that person as well.  Am on the hunt for relevant marriage etc.  Thanks :)

May not be the right person, but mention him in case.
Free index to the 1921 census has Henry J Humphrey, born 1881, Kent, living in Portsmouth.
Address is 24 Collingwood Road Southsea, schedule 285.
He is the head.
Wife is Amy C Humphrey, born 1881, Shoreditch, London.

There are six children.
Eldest is Harold, born 1911. Youngest is Ernest J, born 1920.
Can't see a birth registration for Harold. The others are registered in Portsmouth, and have mother's maiden surname Davis.

Is there a marriage for Henry and Amy? :-\

Helped with that address by the 1920 Kelly's Directory of Hampshire (Portsmouth streets) which has Henry James Humphrey, marine store dealer, at 24 Collingwood Road.
There's a 1925 Portsmouth newspaper report of an inquest into the death of Violet May Humphrey of Collingwood Road, age 2 years 11 months. Father Henry James Humphrey.

Sadly, Harold died 21 May 1940, age 28.
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2502069/harold-humphrey/

Back to the '21 census index, James and Sophia Glen and family are in Birtley, Durham.

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestor possibly using an assumed name?
« on: Thursday 15 July 21 09:46 BST (UK)  »
Hi all and a huge thanks for all the help and suggestions.  I think I've got a long job on my hands working out what happened to Henry but this thread has definitely clarified a few things for me.  Many thanks.

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The Common Room / Re: GRO pdf odd problem
« on: Sunday 11 July 21 08:59 BST (UK)  »
Yes I've had this exact problem a couple of weeks back.  Think it arrived about 4 days later.

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestor possibly using an assumed name?
« on: Thursday 08 July 21 08:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi JM.
Yes. I think we may be onto something here.

We have an illiterate Sophie at home with the children while her "husband" is on his ship on census night.
The kind person Fitzgerald next door but one, completes her required form for her and even extends his/her kindness to writing GLEN's signature.

Sophie is keen to observe propriety and chooses to have her "husband" listed as present at home lest her children status is cast into doubt.

GLEN would not be he first person to be found in 2 places on census night!   

A good story?
Sue ;D

Hi Sue, oh its turning into a great story.  Its the first time I've run into issues with a census return, all the help here has been great.  Thanks.

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestor possibly using an assumed name?
« on: Thursday 08 July 21 08:06 BST (UK)  »
Yes, to me it is a plausible explanation, particularly the mis-spelling for Elsie.   As an aside, I sometimes ponder if the babies born in this current decade would be able to read any handwritten documents when they complete their school education and matriculate, ready for further education.  I think they may be able to read printed text, but perhaps won't have any skills for reading the historic records from even the late 20th Century.

JM

Hi JM,  yes I'd wonder that myself .Thanks.

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestor possibly using an assumed name?
« on: Thursday 08 July 21 08:05 BST (UK)  »
MMmmm...
Now, this might be interesting or not.

For those that can see the 1911.

Image 686 is the Glen family.
Click back to image 682, the Fitzgerald family.

Make a close comparative study of the hand writing, particularly words such as daughter and Ship.

Any comments?
A helpful neighbour completing forms or my imagination ::)

Sue

ADDING
Look at the writing for John FITZGERALD ;D

Hi Sue.  OH WOW!!!!! You've definitely hit on something there, its very distinctive handwriting, looks like the same ink too.  Also the upper case G in George and Glen. That looks very much to me like someone else filled in the form for Sophia, for whatever reason.

They are definitely the most intriguing family I'm tracing, and also the hardest to find  :) ;D

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestor possibly using an assumed name?
« on: Wednesday 07 July 21 15:14 BST (UK)  »
Pretty sure that is him on the Menes in 1910, in the Liverpool crew lists.
With signature.

Note that the FamilySearch transcription of the 1911 entry leaves a bit to be desired!

Just saw this now Jon.  Yes I'd say that's him.  The address given is 45 Eldon Place which, if that was a Liverpool address, is only a few minutes walk away from the address on the 1911 census.  I've attached his signature.  Thanks.

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestor possibly using an assumed name?
« on: Wednesday 07 July 21 11:51 BST (UK)  »
James Glen was doing training for the RNR, 15.2.11 to 31.5.11
Devonport Depot?
& "Carnarvon"? :-\

Here he is!
1911
James Glen, 23, born Newcastle, Provisional Stoker
On HMS Carnarvon, at anchor in Torbay
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW9H-8QP

He wasn't in Liverpool!

Hi Jon, oh you are scaringly good at this  ;D  I'm playing catch up here.  Ok so if he wasn't in Liverpool then did Sophia complete the 1911 census form I wonder?  And if he wasn't in Liverpool she shouldn't have listed him on it should she?

I have that RNR record from TNA which is very good.  The addresses given throughout it all tally so its definitely the 'right' James GLEN.  This story is just more intriguing the more I go on.  Thank you :)

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