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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Illegitimate
« on: Wednesday 12 June 24 01:58 BST (UK)  »
Thank you everyone so much. I hadn't seen the clipping you have here before.

On ancestry there are quite a few matches. But some of them have different info on Charles Bell. My records say he died in Elm crescent, Kingston 1898 but they say that he had another child and died years later.

Its funny that this article says he went to south Africa, if its him, because it looks life the family a bit further back were involved in the East India company.
Im not sure I can manage all the number workings with the DNA thing, thankyou though.

Thankyou for your advice and yes I think your right about checking the info with matches.

I appreciate all your help.

Could you please tell me what the rest of the newspaper clipping says?

Thankyou. :)

Gill

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Illegitimate
« on: Sunday 09 June 24 13:36 BST (UK)  »
Thank you !...I have actually never heard of WATO... ?


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Antrim / Re: Mary Ann Clarke and John McKay
« on: Sunday 09 June 24 10:46 BST (UK)  »
Thankyou.

We are no further forward on the John McKay/Mary Ann lines. We know that John was a ship finisher. So perhaps we might find something through his side.

Thankyou for your help.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Illegitimate
« on: Sunday 09 June 24 01:38 BST (UK)  »
Thankyou.

The Newspaper clipping just says his name is Charles Bell and that he is a labourer of Kingston. I have done a little searching on the internet and it seems messers Starkey are brewers.

The Charles Bell I have been able to find through Ancestry DNA is Charles Ernest Bell, born 1869 Kingston upon Thames according to census. He is living with Annie Stemp's family in the 1891 census. He was apparently buried aug 1898 at all saints kingston upon thames. In 1881 he is at el crescent kingston with his siblings and dad John Chinnery Bell who was a coachman.

Charles' Mum is Zillah Barnes.

Im sorry, I hadn't thought about putting dates etc.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Illegitimate
« on: Sunday 09 June 24 01:01 BST (UK)  »
Hi
Am wondering if someone is able to help please?

My Great Granddad, Charles Bell Baker has no Fathers info on his birth certificate. I have got lots of DNA connections come up on my ancestry thrulines and matches, through his Father's line, but how do I show a document evidence for the connection?

I have found newspaper clippings telling of Charles' Mother, Maude Baker of Chapel Street, Tiverton, Devon, taking Charles' Dad to court for maintenance in 1896. It says that the Father is a Charles Bell from Kingston, He was a labourer and worked for Messers Starkey Knight & co in Tiverton on a contract.

I have followed my line with DNA but the documents on Charles Bell, with his family, say that he was a Well Borer. Charles of Kingston was married to an Annie Stemp. They married in 1890 in Kent. This Charles died in 1898. How can I know for certain that the Charles in Devon is the same Charles in Kingston? Isn't it correct that the thru lines is only as accurate as the info that people are putting on their trees? Can I be sure that the DNA matches/thrulines are actually related to me?

There is a Charles William Bell of Kingston too. So I want to make sure that I have got the right Charles Bell.

I am not sure how to locate work records for Messrs Starkey Knight & co to prove a document connection?

Has anyone else been able to prove illegitimate lines with DNA please? How do you document the connection?

Thank you so much :)

Gill

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Antrim / Re: Mary Ann Clarke and John McKay
« on: Thursday 25 January 24 21:32 GMT (UK)  »
Would anyone know the best way to find John Clark through his employment please? Maybe that would be a good place to start? Did all men in Belfast have to be a part of the army? Like maybe National service back in the day?

Thank you :)

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Antrim / Re: Mary Ann Clarke and John McKay
« on: Thursday 25 January 24 19:16 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you so much everyone...Have only just seen your replies.
What I meant was that Frances' name was written as Francis, incorrectly, I assume. Her maiden name is written as Beattie, like the snippet shows.
John Clark, on the marriage of Mary Ann is mentioned as a Clerk, yet on the further doc it says he is a Police Clerk.
We, (My cousin and I) have found an 1871 Scottish census,  with a Mary Ann Clark from Ireland and her mother Fanny Clark also from Ireland, living in the home of Margaret Moodie, Mary Ann's sister. Margaret is married to Robert Moodie. They live at Quoad Sacra Parish of Martyrs. They have a daughter named Frances Moodie, which gave us the thought that maybe she was named after her Gran. I have purchased the Scottish certs of Frances Moodie's birth and Margaret and Roberts marriage but there were a couple of question marks arisen. 1. John's job is a clothier, not a police clerk and 2. Frances has now got the maiden surname of McKay, spelt Mackie and has lost the Beattie. Today however, we noted that John is deceased on Margaret's doc but not on Mary Ann's. It can't be the same person if he was deceased because Margaret's wedding was in Neilston, Renfrew 1864.

I have been told by Scottish People website that documents had errors on alot, where maiden surnames were different, but I'm thinking, due to the other differences, it can't be the same people?

Thank you for looking for me.

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Antrim / Mary Ann Clarke and John McKay
« on: Wednesday 24 January 24 01:23 GMT (UK)  »
I wonder if anyone can please help?
I have Scottish and Irish DNA on my Dad's side. My Great Granddad, John Cowan, was born in Ayr. I have traced his Cowan roots but when researching his Mum's family, I have got stuck.
It's good that on the Scottish birth record of his Mum, Annie McKay, born 1874 in Wilson Street, Renfrew it gives the marriage of her parents, Mary Ann Clarke and John McKay. Married 16th May 1873 in Belfast.
When I looked for the certificate of their marriage, I was really excited! Yay! I've found my Irish roots!
Problem is, even having asked the people at St Anne's in Belfast, I can't get any further back than just names for Mary's parents and this was because they were on her death cert when she died in 1876. Mary Ann's mum is Francis, as was recorded. She has 3 surnames it seems. McKay Clarke and maiden surname was written as Beattie. Mary Ann's Dad is down as being John Clark. On Mary Ann's marriage he was a Clerk. On the death cert, he was a Police Clerk.

John McKay's  Dad on the marriage cert is down as John Mackay who's job is written as Blast Furnace.
It is estimated that Mary Ann was born 1854 and John McKay 1850...
On the marriage cert John is an engine fitter. On the death cert, a ship finisher.

I have no idea how to take them back further? I don't know for sure if they are actually Irish or if John and Mary Ann were just living in Belfast because of work? I have searched for Frances in both Scotland and Ireland but its all guess work. I have nothing on any of the others either.

Can someone please give me pointers? How will I know if they are Scottish or Irish? How do I search accurately for Francis if she has 3 names? Where is the best place to search for Irish info if they are Irish?

I would really appreciate some help please?

Thank you.

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Devon / Re: William DUNN born circa 1791 in Tiverton
« on: Sunday 14 August 22 14:40 BST (UK)  »
Unfortunately for the researcher, there are cousin marriages in the Boobier tree...kind of makes for hard work matching the families together.

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