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Worcestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Christening - Thomas Francis Coard in 1885 St James, Defford
« on: Saturday 14 December 19 17:31 GMT (UK)  »
On a general point, If Thomas Francis Coard was born illegitimate, would St James Church be happy to christen him without a father being known?

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Worcestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Christening - Thomas Francis Coard in 1885 St James, Defford
« on: Saturday 14 December 19 17:14 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks everybody. Yep, you are right about Matilda and her sons Francis and John Lucas Coard or John Arthur Coard (Lucas changed from Lucas at registration to Arthur by Christening). The banns were read for Matilda & Francis Lucas at St Mary Islington but they never went through with it - reason unknown?  It is family information that Thomas Francis was a son of Matilda but no proof and I have just got the birth cert hoping for a father's name but, typically, it was missing and 'Elizabeth' was the notifier. Interestingly, the birth was July but not baptised till October - Elizabeth was a housekeeper but equally the story is she was a servant at a nearby large house - Croome not far?

The complete story is quite muddled. Matilda was in 30s in 1881 and a servant. I didn't know about Thomas but son Francis was born clearly out of wedlock. His birth cert shows no father and Matilda was in the workhouse but by the time of christening, a father had appeared in Francis Lucas. I think I have identified him but he disappears by 1891. In 1891, Matilda is a charwoman with 2 sons (the second son John dies 2 years later - his birth cert also shows no father). All very strange.

Sorry, I could have posted more info but wanted to keep it simple to just what's on the christening. I can't find the farm on the census at present - it's on present day maps quite clear on A4104 owned by R S Allard. Whether Matilda & Elizabeth are the same person is the million dollar question.

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Worcestershire Lookup Requests / Christening - Thomas Francis Coard in 1885 St James, Defford
« on: Saturday 14 December 19 10:58 GMT (UK)  »
Hi. I am researching the birth of Thomas Francis Coard.  The birth cert says he was born 18 July 1885 at Woodmancote Farm, near Defford (registration area Pershore).  The certificate shows his mother as Elizabeth Coard, housekeeper but the father's name is blank.  I believe he was christened at St James Church, Eckington Road, Defford on 31 October 1885.  My research suggests his mother's name was actually Matilda Elizabeth Coard, born in Stepney London and, perhaps, went away when she became pregnant? I have her on the census for 1881 & 1891 back in London (1891 with other illegitimate sons).
REQUEST: I can't get to Worcestershire Archives but would love to know what details are shown on the christening record - after this Thomas disappears? Perhaps he died or was adopted. I can't find any trace of him.  Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: LookUp Request - Wallace of Tobermore, Maghera, Derry
« on: Tuesday 07 March 17 09:11 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks scotmum - you are  star. Don't know why I couldnt find it!

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: LookUp Request - Wallace of Tobermore, Maghera, Derry
« on: Tuesday 07 March 17 08:26 GMT (UK)  »
I have now found the birth record for John Wallace in Scotland which gives the marriage of his parent in 1896 also in Scotland (although as ever, I can't find it in the records!).

Anyway, this provides the answers and completes my request.  Many thanks to all that helped.


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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: LookUp Request - Wallace of Tobermore, Maghera, Derry
« on: Monday 20 February 17 13:12 GMT (UK)  »
That's a good spot - I missed it so will see what I can find.  Thanks

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: LookUp Request - Wallace of Tobermore, Maghera, Derry
« on: Monday 20 February 17 12:43 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, sorry - I did notice the different census ages (and occupations) but who knows which is right?  I am assuming the 1911 is more likely correct - remember he is not very literate, if at all - they are clearly the same family.  The birth records for the children also put him as a carpenter.

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: LookUp Request - Wallace of Tobermore, Maghera, Derry
« on: Monday 20 February 17 10:10 GMT (UK)  »
Many thanks (as usual).  I can't get to Proni and was hoping the Church records might be available elsewhere (in England many are on CD).  I thought about an 'away' marriage but can't find anything - other siblings of Elizabeth have married in Kilcronaghan but you could be right.  It's the Wallace father I need as there were 2x John Wallace born same place and time.
I see the marriage parish records from you link from 1845 onwards are not held at Proni but marked 'LC (local custody)' and wonder what that means.

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Derry (Londonderry) / LookUp Request - Wallace of Tobermore, Maghera, Derry
« on: Monday 20 February 17 09:32 GMT (UK)  »
Can you help with a brickwall?

I am trying to understand the WALLACE Family. Parents John Wallace (b.1869) and Elizabeth Haslett (b. 1870).  The family is on both the 1910 & 1911 census living in Tobermore - both born Co Londonderry and in 1911 married for 14 years - thus married 1896/7. Both Church of Ireland - John a carpenter: 6 children all accounted for.

On 12 Aug 1897, there is a birth record for twins - Margaret Sophia Wallace and Dudley Ward Wallace. Born Tobermore and the first born children.

BUT - I cannot find any record of the marriage; not on IrishGenealogy or NIdirect which I need to establish fathers' names.

LOOKUP REQUEST - is it possible to check CofI Parish Records for either a marriage or Baptism for the twins (if baptised, then parents must have been married).

Thanks

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