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Donegal / Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« on: Monday 23 May 22 21:12 BST (UK)  »
Jack,
Not sure what time you sent email but nothing as yet.
Limavady not my area, too far from Donegal, have no connections there at all, but thanks for the suggestion.
I have quite a lot of good sources for my area of interest in Milford/Ramelton, have also made quite a ridiculous amount of dna connections from around there too, particularly the Milford families.
A couple of names to look out for in trees are Patterson Cheatley and Dill Hunter.
These are individuals not four family surnames but clearly are named from the four surnames, but these two guys pop up in lots of peoples trees.
If you just google, Patterson Cheatley, you will see there are actually more than one of them over generations, from the Milford area.
Another on line record worth a look is Milford Presbyterian Church marriages.
These records name the witnesses, so in the 1840-50 period you get lots of names that you won't see on other records as there were no census and for some of my people they have emigrated by the 1850's so you would not see them on any other Donegal record as the births of the 1820-30 period for Presbyterians is hit & miss.
Milford Workhouse records are good too as it was actually the local 'hospital' there are many admissions for simple injuries.
Rob


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Donegal / Ulster Scots in Philadelphia
« on: Monday 23 May 22 02:55 BST (UK)  »
Unfortunately in order to find if a connection is buried in Mount Moriah cemetery with a tie to Donegal it will take a bit of work if its general people being checked.
Probably the easiest way is to go through the Philadelphia death registers for your particular surname and see if they list the parents as being from Donegal. The death registers usually say which cemetery the person was buried in, then you can go back to findagrave and look the person up.
I found Martha Hunter buried there this way but her record actually stated she was from Milford in Donegal, making it a bit easier.
As Philadelphia's death records often give both parents names, including surname, this can be of great use when the parents didn't emigrate.
Martha Hunter's parents were Jospeh Hunter b1807 and Catherine Elliott b1800, married in Fanad Presbyterian Church. Joseph emigrated to Philadelphia with his daughters but Catherine had passed away in Ireland.

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Donegal / Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« on: Monday 23 May 22 02:41 BST (UK)  »
Jack,

Regarding the Silver Bowl Blog i'm afraid as the original early story is incorrect it will keep being repeated. But the later details from direct family can be useful.
The same with the 'Peerage', half the family is missing off that.
Reason being is the family line known as 'John Dill's' is generally omitted as all the family histories come from the David Dill line.
But as these have possibly been mixed up at the time of the Hearth Tax Rolls there is a problem with anything pre 1700 being accurate, in my opinion.
The Peerage was taken from a set of family notes that are currently held in the Public Records Office Belfast, written by Nancy Kingham.
There were family 'interviews' done at various times, 1870's, whereby some very good notes were recorded.
These were not used in all of the 'official' Dill histories and so they are worth reviewing. I had hoped to go over to Belfast later this year to have a look at various documents and if time allowed read the Dill notes. 
The current Dill family of Donegal, the Nova Scotia family and the New York State family from Caleb Dill who emigrated around 1720-30, all share the same Ydna.
The Dill family of Delaware, emigrated 1740, do not have the same Ydna.
But my Elliott cousins and i have autosomal dna matches multi times to both lines.
There are actually a couple of Dill USA facebook pages running sort of parallel to each other but not in discussion.
When i referred to Raphoe previously it was for the District and i generally do this for USA contacts. Rather than initially explain Townlands, as these can be very confusing to some unfamiliar with them, particularly somewhere like Fanad, that an old record may have as Fannet.
I use the term Raphoe to indicate the various families living south of Letterkenny in the Laggan Valley [supposed to be John Dill at Allsaints, Newtowncunningham] or those North of Letterkenny in the Lower Fanad area, Ramelton, Milford etc.
The Townland of Magheradrumman, Lower Fanad was where a number of families lived including the Dill & Reagh family.
Reagh is a very rare name but it is not connected to the Rea family although many genealogy sites [one well known one in particular] do a standardisation of the surnames so later the Reagh name to Rea.
Ydna shows there is no connection, although it is true that in the USA at times the Reagh have morphed into a number of spellings, Ray, Wray, more importantly Rhea [the vast majority of these in America being Donegal Reagh's] but the odd Rea too.
Reagh is important to the Dill line as i believe there is a very old marriage tying the two families, that has a long standing effect.
When the Dill family splits into the two branches [c1640-50], the Raphoe and Fanad lines, the Reagh family does the same and they live within very close proximity in both locations.
When they emigrate too, first to the USA 1720-40, then Nova Scotia, 1760's, the two families are again found together, and even intermarry again.
I asked a number of Rhea family in the USA and the Dill family in Nova Scotia to check their dna matches for the others name. Each came back saying they had multiple matches.
This would appear to show the old connection from back in Donegal.
However there is a third Ramelton area family usually found with them, the Neely/Neily's.
Its quite possible there are more families tied to them.
There is a history of the Neely family, called the 'Neely's of Neelytown, New York'.
There is a Presbyterian Church Baptism roll for 1741, i think it is, and each family is baptising a new child born as first generation in America, all listed on the same page.
There are Hunter's on the rolls too.
I think it would be reasonable to assume some of the other families listed have Donegal connections too.

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Donegal / Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« on: Tuesday 03 May 22 17:02 BST (UK)  »
Regarding the Dill and McClure connection you need to be a little wary of the family histories of the Dill's. They were a very prominent family in the North of Ireland and have a number of histories written about them which are incorrect as they repeat the same mistakes.
There are effectively two branches of the family, which when the older histories discuss them, refer to them as David Dill's line and his brother John Dill's line.
On Jack's post of the 6th January there are a couple of points i would have to disagree with.
First the Dill's were not based at Springfield, Clondavadogg. Two brothers were. Well before this, some 60-80 years the family had split into two parts.....the David & John Dill lines. This is where the histories go wrong.
In the histories they say David's family is in the Fanad Penninsula, moving at various times to Glenalla, Magheradrumman [the south Fanad one] then Tullynadall further up the Peninsula.
Most histories then say John, either moved to Allsaints in the Laggan Valley or he drops off the family histories as 'gone away'.
However, in the 1660 Hearth Tax Rolls the two 'brothers' are in two locations. But the other way around. John is at Tullynadall and David near Newtowncunningham, Allsaints.
I believe a generation has been missed off all the family histories, because if you look at the supposed birth dates of some of the tree members and the events they witnessed it does not tie in with the one legal document remaining, the Hearth Tax Rolls. This then adds the possibility of more children than John & David. There is a Robert Dill in some records.
So when you look at the one Dill family [known as John's] by the 1700's they are south of Letterkenny, much closer to Kildrum and i have seen much further travel between families than that to marry.

The second point is the statement that the Springfiled Dill's went to America. Not so, in fact i think it was only one son and possibly the daughters [for a long time the actual Dill papers make little note of the female line of daughters]. The majority of the Springfield line stayed in Ireland, Counties Down, Londonderry, Antrim. then a large line is formed in England, Richard Dill in Brighton. A history called 'The Twelve Dill's' explains this line.
Look at Field Marshall Sir John Dill.......Montgomery family of Donegal is also connected to the Springfield Dill's.
The McClure line connected to the Dill's also has a connection to Rockbridge VA in the USA.
Not my line, so not 100% sure but think its Samuel McClure either brother or even father of the McClure-Dill girls. There is another daughter, Belle, married a Kelso, not sure where and in the US one daughter marries an Elliott. He is not a Donegal Elliott though, he is a Ballymena one with completely different Ydna [he's from the Elliott's of Antrim who are actually Armstrong's by dna].
There are various American Dill lines starting around 1730, with Caleb Dill in NY State. Then Delaware, Ohio later [including the Springfield ones who also go to Ohio] then a very important line in Nova Scotia.
My Elliott's were from Milford in Donegal, having been there from sometime early 1700's until around 1900 after which they went to Londonderry City.
From this family we have lots of connections to all the local Milford families.
Including Hunter who's line emigrated to Philadelphia around 1850. The Hunter's and Elliott's live next door to each other in Philadelphia.
I would recommend anyone with Donegal Presbyterian connections does a search of Mount Moriah Cemetery Philadelphia for any surname. There are 369 Hunter's buried in there, 223 Elliott's, of which around 40 Elliott's alone are my Milford line.
I am dna connected to Dill Hunter [and the Dill family of Donegal, USA & Nova Scotia].
We Elliott's also seem to have a dna connection to Raphoe McClure's in the USA via a McClure -Sage marriage.
I currently speak with most of the above families.....except McClure.
Rob

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Donegal / Re: Manor Vaughan (Farm?) Co Donegal c1862
« on: Wednesday 26 December 12 02:21 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

There are a number of places on the estate that are still as it would have been at the time of the murder.
I noticed from my earlier post i wasn't too clear. Both my Great grandmother, Mills' family and greatgrandfather Elliott' family worked on the estate.
The Elliotts' left immediately after the murder and i think the Mills stayed around until about 1912.

The House would be 'Mulroy' and the estate 'manorvaughan'.

If you look on google earth south of the new bridge [Blaney] is the old Ferry House and you can see the jetty. this was owned by a family named Greer i believe who have family connections to the current owners.

South of the ferry is manorvaughan boathouse and also on the bank just by what i believe may have been the estate manager's house as its just inside the one gate.
It's quite a size so don't think it was just a gatehouse.

Leitrim secretly gave money for things like schools and a book was written some years later, after the murder, by i think it was the catholic teacher who spoke of Leitrims assistance, at the time of the murder there were all sorts of stories about him, so it was not a popular thing to praise him.
They had riots at the church in Dublin when they tried to bury him.

There is a new owner of the estate about to take over, he is connected to Mr strutt who died recently.

Rob

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Ferryquay Street, Derry 1911
« on: Sunday 11 November 12 21:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

Who is it you are after? I have other lists they may [men] be on if they signed the Covenant.

Rob

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Duffy Family Sherriffs Mountain
« on: Monday 10 September 12 17:25 BST (UK)  »
WOW123,

A man who might be able to help at the Cathedral is Ian Bartlett.

If you don't get anywhere soon let me know and i will ask Ian as he has been helping me with something else.


Rob

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: 1918 Absent Voters List for Derry?
« on: Saturday 28 April 12 19:47 BST (UK)  »
Brendan,

Glad to be of help. Unfortunately i can't help with your query regarding the Employment Company.

Are you familier with the website 'great war forum', google that and you should find the page to 1914-18.org there its explains the various units, but you can also post on forum an ask for info. There are some very knowledgable guys on there.

My own grandfather was Royal Engineers, 150th Field Company, from Rosemount.

The AVL i have i got about 10 years ago from the original ledger. There was [is] i believe no obligation for councils to keep voter registers so most were destroyed or kept by councils.

The problem is Derry City libraries probably have it but like in England the staff don't know what or where it is, so say they don't have it.

There were about 5-6000 volunteer from the City during the war, which for the population of 40,000 is pretty high, it is possible there were more based on a calculation of killed to served ratio.

The war memorial has 756 names on it but this should be nearer 1000.

Rob

 

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: 1918 Absent Voters List for Derry?
« on: Friday 27 April 12 23:17 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

Londonderry 1918 AVL

McGlinchey-

Harry..3 Donaghey's Row...Pte 373946 -  275th employment company Royal Engineers [this man was Henry who had previously served in the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers as 13680]

Also in the same house-

James McBride 33105 [26857] Pte Royal Irish Fusiliers, noted as 're-enlisted'.

Charles...22 Deanery Street - no regiment listed, may not have been in the army could have been working in England or may not have returned his card with info.

Myles [junior]...34 long Tower pte 21893 Royal Irish Regiment.

That's all listed.

AVL is not in londonderry, library does not have a copy.

This is from my copy.

Rob

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