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Warwickshire / Re: Cemeteries in Birmingham
« on: Saturday 24 September 11 16:43 BST (UK)  »
Dear Bojula,

Thank you for your reply and many thanks as well to jim1 and derekwg.   I apologize that I have not seen your P/m because my email address has changed.    I work for a local public school system here in Texas and they have changed my email address to (*).

Again many thanks to all for the responses.

Best regards,
Bob Croman

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Warwickshire / Cemeteries in Birmingham
« on: Saturday 23 July 11 14:59 BST (UK)  »
Dear Fellow Researchers.

Back in the 1890's did the newspapers in Birmingham publish death notices that might have contained the name of the cemetery in which the deceased was to be buried?

I am trying to find the burial location for my great great grandparents.    I have their death records as follows:

Marth Barrow d. 16 Mar 1896, age 65 living at 60 Camden Street.
Joseph Barrow, journeyman tailor, d. 22 Feb 1900, age 68, can't make out his address but know that he also lived on Camden Street.

I believe they were Roman Catholic.

Since Joseph Barrow was listed as a journeyman tailor, would he have belonged to some trade association?

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

Sincerely,
Bob Croman
Physics Teacher
Texas

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: 1910 Census Lookup
« on: Monday 03 January 11 21:34 GMT (UK)  »
Many, many thanks for this 1911 census lookup.    There is a good possibility that these three Bell children (William, 12; Elizabeth, 10; and Sarah, 8) are the ones I am interested in.    With this information I looked on Ancestry and found that the ship "Astoria" arrived in Londonderry on 3 January 1906 with William, 5+6/12; Lizzie, 4; Sarah, 2: and Richard, 11/12 traveling with their mother Sarah J. Bell age 36.   This family is very close to the Phila family listed in the 1900 US census and the 1911 Londonderry census.   So there are diffident possibilities here.

Can someone give me a quick lesson on the geography of the census isting of Derrycrummy (Moneyhaw, Londonderry).    Searching maps online I am led to believe that the location is somewhere south of Churchtown, north of Cookstown and west of Lough Neagh?   Is it close to the boundary between County Londonderry and County Tyrone?   The reason I ask is because William Bell the father arrived in Philadelphia, Pa and was listed as from Tyrone.

Again many thanks for your help.

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I am fairly certain that my GGGgrandfather was John Reynolds of Newcastle under Lyme, a slipmaker.    From the 1851 and 1861 census records he appears to have been born in Ipstones/Hipstones, Staffordshire.  And he seems to have been born about 1780.   His death record also indicates a birth year of 1780.   I have good reason to believe that he was a Roman Catholic for two reasons.    His daughter my GGgrandmother (Martha) and my GGgrandfather (Joseph Barrow) were married in Holy Trinity Roman Catholic Chapel, Newcastle under Lyme.    I have found the baptismal record for another  of his daughters, also at Holy Trinity.
Looking through Ancestry, I found in the Staffordshire Probate and Parish Records, Roman Catholic Registers, the following baptismal listing:    17 Dec 1780-1781   Jno Reynolds s. of John and Mary Reynolds   Godfather and mother Joseph Warrilow and Eliz. Cope, legitimus.
I then checked the IGI and found what appears to be the same record as:  John Reynolds to John and Mary Reynolds; christening: 17 DEC 1780   Saint Mary-Rc, Cresswell, Stafford, England.    So one can see that with the christening date of 1780 and the 1851/61 census records suggesting a birth year of 1780 I am tempted to believe I have found the christening record of my GGGgrandfather.   Unfortunately the LDS microfilm (0873649) does not circulate here in the states, so I can't check further details.
Checking GENUKI, it appears that there is not a Roman Catholic Chapel in Ipstones, but Ipstones is very close to Cresswell, maybe 7 Kilometers.    Is it possible that someone listed in the census records as born in Ipstones could have been christened in Cresswell (1780)?   Another question is the phrase " Godfather and mother Joseph Warrilow and Eliz. Cope, legitimus"   Can I assume that these Godparents are related to the Reynolds or is that too great a step to take?
Any help and opinions here would be appreciated so as to tell me whether I am just wishing this record to be part of my family history.

Best regards,
Bob Croman

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Hi,

Going into "Ancestry" I found on the Staffordshire Parish and Probate data base they have a possible ancester.    They had the following:  "Elizabeth d. of Frances Broadhurst, b/bap 17 July 1797" Newca.stle under Lyme.    I also found the same record on the LDS IGI on film authored by Church of England, Church of Newcastle under Lyme and Percy W. L. Adams  (perhaps a transcription for I found the name Percy W. L. Adams associated with many Staffordshire Genealogical Books and maybe he was part of the Adams Pottery family of Stoke?).   I ordered the tape last week but was then informed that it does not circulate to LDS Libraries here in the states.    Can anyone help me out to find out more info about this data and specifically this Elizabeth Broadhurst.    I think she might have been my GGGgrandmother who married John Reynolds (a slipmaker) of Ipstones and they lived their lives in Newcastle under Lyme.    I know John Reynolds (b. 1780) was Roman Catholic and suspect that Elizabeth Broadhurst was also or maybe converted.

Many thanks in advance,
Bob Croman


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Ireland / Re: Weir Sisters, born late 1860's North Ireland
« on: Wednesday 26 March 08 22:02 GMT (UK)  »
Fellow researchers,

Thank you so much for your responses and insight.   Christopher, I will check out the County Down Website.   Unfortunately, I do not know the name of Annie and Jennie Weir's mother.   Jennie died before the state of Pennsylvania kept Death records and the informant for my great grandmother, Annie, only put down John Weir as the father on the 1914 death certificate and did not know the name of her mother.   I have never been able to find the sisters arrival in either New York or Philadelphia.   They must have been in their late teens when they arrived in the United States and it is hard for me to imagine that they traveled alone or at least didn't know someone in the United States, but I guess 1885 was a difficult time for many individuals.    My grandmother used to say that when they arrived in Philadelphia they were appalled that people would be cleaning the front steps (marble in the city) on a Sunday.   I have reason to believe that they were Presbyterian.     
In addition to the above hurdles, I have never been able to locate my great grandmother's marriage record to James Bell (also from Northern Ireland).
Again thanks you so much for your interest and help.

Best regards,
Bob Croman

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Warwickshire Lookup Requests / Re: Birmingham 1854, Death Index
« on: Tuesday 20 November 07 19:24 GMT (UK)  »
Jim,

Again many thanks for your suggestions.    With your help and comment about an Elizabeth Morton, daughter of Thomas and Ann Morton, I decided to look in the St Peters District, Birmingham 1841 census which is online (Warwickshire Ancestors Proj.) and low and behold I found the following household on Moor St.

Moor St,1,Thos Moreton,60,,Inge Maker,WAR,
,,Ann Moreton,,70,,WAR,
,,Henry Thompson,35,,Gun Finisher,WAR,
,,Elizh Thompson,,35,,WAR,

As you can see, Ann Mor(e)ton was still alive in 1841 and therefore showing that Elizabeth Thompson must have been the daughter of Thomas and Ann Moreton.
According to the IGI, this Elizabeth Mor(e)ton was associated with one of the two religious organizations:

Paradise Street Paradise Meeting-Protestant Dissenbirminghamitarian
or
Bond Street Baptist, Birmingham

Wonder what Dissenbirminghamitarian means?

Again many thanks,
Bob Croman
Plano, Tx

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Warwickshire Lookup Requests / Re: Birmingham 1854, Death Index
« on: Saturday 17 November 07 22:49 GMT (UK)  »
Jim,

Many thanks for your reply.   I have some reason to believe that Elizabeth Thompson, nee Morton is the sister of my GGGgrandmother, Catherine Harrison, nee Morton.   (In my original posting I referred to the elderly Thomas Morton in the Henry and Elizabeth Thompson as my GGGgrandfather, but really if he is my ancestor then he would be my GGGGgrandfather).   But as you can probably quess, I have some doubts as well.    My GGGgrandmother Catherine Morton was baptised, 27 Dec 1808 as the daughter of Thomas Morton and wife Mary and recorded at St Martins, Birmingham.   Checking the St Martins baptismal records shows that Thomas and Mary Morton had a daughter Elizabeth born 27 March 1805 and baptized 2 October 1806 and this daughter could well be the Elizabeth listed as the wife of Henry Thompson in the 1851 Birmingham (St Peters)Census as I showed in my original posting.
But the St Martin's baptismal records (which are lacking in a lot of detail) show about 12 children for Thomas and Mary Morton in the 1795-1814 time frame, making one wonder whether there was more than one Thomas and Mary Morton couple baptizing children at that time frame.
Looking at the 1851 census and the addresses, I find it interesting that Henry and Elizabeth (nee Morton) Thompson (perhaps my GGGgrand uncle and aunt) live at 132 Moor St, St Peters and Henry and Catherine (nee Morton), my GGGgrandparents, live at 39 John St, St Marys.    I believe these two addresses were within walking distance in 1851.    If so the proximity of the two families might be suggestive of a relationship.
I would be thankful for any thoughts you might have on any of this.

Many thanks,
Bob Croman
Plano, TX

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Warwickshire Lookup Requests / Re: Birmingham 1854, Death Index
« on: Friday 16 November 07 23:28 GMT (UK)  »
Mo,

Many thanks for advice and thanks for the lookup attempt.   

Again many thanks
Bob Croman

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