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The Common Room / Re: Settlement record 1771
« on: Tuesday 31 March 20 12:05 BST (UK) »
Yes, I think that's what is. Only issue is that Winterset doesn't seem to have been a parochial parish back then.
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The Common Room / Settlement record 1771
« on: Tuesday 31 March 20 10:37 BST (UK) »
I have found a Settlement Record from 1771 for my ggggg grandparents Thomas and Lydia (Lidia) and their daughter Hannah. They were living in the parish of Royston, West Yorkshire. The Settlement Record says they had their legal settlement in the parish of Winterson, West Yorkshire - but there was no such parish. The writing is fairly clear - see attachment. Anyone know where it is or which parish it could be?
There is a Wintersett near Wakefield which is not too far from Royston, and I'm wondering if that could be it. Thought?
There is a Wintersett near Wakefield which is not too far from Royston, and I'm wondering if that could be it. Thought?
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Inverness / Re: was Catherine married or not
« on: Tuesday 21 April 15 21:12 BST (UK) »
ammack: I was the one who looked up the census information, not scottishmisty who started the thread. You can find out about Catherine's daughter by looking up the census.
The 1861 census has:
South Boisdale Mr McLellan's, South Uist
John McLellan farmer of 21 acres age 49, born South Uist
Mary McLellan wife age 40, born South Uist
Catherine McLellan farmer daughter age not transcribed or entered, born South Uist
Margaret McLellan farmer daughter age 17, born South Uist
Donald McLellan scholar age 14, born South Uist
Catherine McLellan scholar age 14, born South Uist
Malcolm McLellan scholar age 9, born South Uist
Catherine Morrison formerly ag lab age 90, mother in law, born South Uist
A bit odd that there are two daughters called Catherine - could be an error, but I'm only going from the transcription of Ancestry. Be worth looking at the original on ScotlandsPeople.
So according to that, Catherine had a daughter Mary born in about 1821 at South Uist who married John McLellan.
The 1861 census has:
South Boisdale Mr McLellan's, South Uist
John McLellan farmer of 21 acres age 49, born South Uist
Mary McLellan wife age 40, born South Uist
Catherine McLellan farmer daughter age not transcribed or entered, born South Uist
Margaret McLellan farmer daughter age 17, born South Uist
Donald McLellan scholar age 14, born South Uist
Catherine McLellan scholar age 14, born South Uist
Malcolm McLellan scholar age 9, born South Uist
Catherine Morrison formerly ag lab age 90, mother in law, born South Uist
A bit odd that there are two daughters called Catherine - could be an error, but I'm only going from the transcription of Ancestry. Be worth looking at the original on ScotlandsPeople.
So according to that, Catherine had a daughter Mary born in about 1821 at South Uist who married John McLellan.
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Inverness / Re: was Catherine married or not
« on: Tuesday 21 April 15 13:04 BST (UK) »
From what is says of Catherine in the 1851 and 1861 census (see my post above) it looks like her husband died before official registration began in 1855. Catherine's death cert can be read by clicking the link in scottishmisty's original post - she died at the same place as she was living in the 1861 census: Boisdale, South Uist, where she lived with her married daughter Mary. Her daughter Mary was born in South Uist, according to the census.
Catherine and her husband therefore had at least two children, Alexander and Mary. Definitely worth looking for their death certs on ScotlandsPeople to see what it says about their father.
Catherine and her husband therefore had at least two children, Alexander and Mary. Definitely worth looking for their death certs on ScotlandsPeople to see what it says about their father.
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Fife / Re: 1851 help looking for 2 people, first is Elizabeth Erskine ?
« on: Monday 20 April 15 18:03 BST (UK) »
If James' parents died in or after 1855, then their death certificates should be available to view and download, for a small fee, on ScotlandsPeople web site. Have you searched there?
Doesn't look as if Elizabeth and James' father were married - the birth cert has him as illegitimate and the 1841 census has James age 8 with his mother Elizabeth Erksine and what could be his Erskine grandmother. Not uncommon for marriage certs to say parents were married when they weren't: James may have bent the truth a bit, or the registrar just assumed it when James gave the names of his parents.
Doesn't look as if Elizabeth and James' father were married - the birth cert has him as illegitimate and the 1841 census has James age 8 with his mother Elizabeth Erksine and what could be his Erskine grandmother. Not uncommon for marriage certs to say parents were married when they weren't: James may have bent the truth a bit, or the registrar just assumed it when James gave the names of his parents.
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Inverness / Re: was Catherine married or not
« on: Monday 20 April 15 17:42 BST (UK) »
1861 census has Catherine Morrison age 90, formerly ag lab, in South Boidsale, SouthUist, living with her daughter and son-in-law, John and Mary McLellan and born South Uist.
1851 census has Catherine McLean age 80 born South Uist as a pauper formerly seamstress, a visitor with the MacIsaac family in South Uist.
In Scotland it was not uncommon for women to revert to using their maiden name when widowed. So it looks as though Catherine was born Morrison and then married a McLean. As for her death certificate - her nephew couldn't read or write so couldn't check whether the death cert was accurate. If the registrar has asked "was she married?", nephew may have said no meaning she was a widow, but the registrar took it to mean never married.
It's a possibility. But you'd need to try and find a marriage record, plus baptisms of her children.
1851 census has Catherine McLean age 80 born South Uist as a pauper formerly seamstress, a visitor with the MacIsaac family in South Uist.
In Scotland it was not uncommon for women to revert to using their maiden name when widowed. So it looks as though Catherine was born Morrison and then married a McLean. As for her death certificate - her nephew couldn't read or write so couldn't check whether the death cert was accurate. If the registrar has asked "was she married?", nephew may have said no meaning she was a widow, but the registrar took it to mean never married.
It's a possibility. But you'd need to try and find a marriage record, plus baptisms of her children.
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The Lighter Side / Re: Ancestry trees
« on: Monday 20 April 15 16:44 BST (UK) »
I suspect the answer to "why do they do it?" is because they can and they want to. If someone wants to trace the ancestry of people they are not related to, for their own amusement and to pass the time, why shouldn't they? If someone wants to try and connect 300,000 people together, again for their own amusement, why shouldn't they? No one is forcing other people to look at their trees - if you are clicking on other people's trees then you have chosen to do so.
As to the inaccurate trees on Ancestry - I wonder whether the owner of many of these trees started out believing Ancestry's advertising hype and thinking that the "hints" were Ancestry telling them who their ancestors were. By the time they realised the error of their ways they had built a mess of an inaccurate tree. On realising how much effort would be needed to correct it they lost the will to live (and who can blame them). So they either stopped, or stopped that particular tree and started another one. An inaccurate tree on Ancestry therefore does not necessarily mean the owner is a complete idiot.
As to similar threads on here - if you clicked on the thread to read it, you chose to do so. If you are reading every single thread that is posted here then you obviously have a lot more spare time than I have!
If we all thought exactly the same things all the time, what a terribly boring place the world would be.
As to the inaccurate trees on Ancestry - I wonder whether the owner of many of these trees started out believing Ancestry's advertising hype and thinking that the "hints" were Ancestry telling them who their ancestors were. By the time they realised the error of their ways they had built a mess of an inaccurate tree. On realising how much effort would be needed to correct it they lost the will to live (and who can blame them). So they either stopped, or stopped that particular tree and started another one. An inaccurate tree on Ancestry therefore does not necessarily mean the owner is a complete idiot.
As to similar threads on here - if you clicked on the thread to read it, you chose to do so. If you are reading every single thread that is posted here then you obviously have a lot more spare time than I have!
If we all thought exactly the same things all the time, what a terribly boring place the world would be.
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Roxburghshire / Re: James Henderson Birth 1755ish, Help please
« on: Thursday 16 April 15 18:09 BST (UK) »
Scottish naming pattern is:
First son - named for father's father
First daughter - named for mother's mother
Second son - named for mother's father
Second daughter - named for father's mother
Third son - named for father
Third daughter - named for mother
Thereafter, named for siblings of father and mother.
By no means, though, did everyone follow it so although a helpful guide it can't be fully relied upon. Sometimes children were named for people who were important to the family but weren't close relatives. And sometimes it was used but in a different order.
If the person a child was being named for had the same surname as the child, there would be no middle name. If the person had a different surname then that name would be the child's middle name.
First son - named for father's father
First daughter - named for mother's mother
Second son - named for mother's father
Second daughter - named for father's mother
Third son - named for father
Third daughter - named for mother
Thereafter, named for siblings of father and mother.
By no means, though, did everyone follow it so although a helpful guide it can't be fully relied upon. Sometimes children were named for people who were important to the family but weren't close relatives. And sometimes it was used but in a different order.
If the person a child was being named for had the same surname as the child, there would be no middle name. If the person had a different surname then that name would be the child's middle name.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Okay, I'll admit to being stuck - not sure which board to post this in?
« on: Thursday 16 April 15 09:31 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately, John Drain was born before the start of official registration of births in Scotland so you are reliant on parish registers. These were no means complete, so it's quite possible John Drain's baptism wasn't recorded. And as the family were originally from Ireland, it's possible they weren't Church of Scotland.
You now know John's brother William was born in 1861 and his parents were Henry Drain mason's labourer and Jane McLellan who were living in Pollockshaws at the time. This looks like them in the 1861 census, very poorly transcribed by Ancestry. Worth using up some ScotlandsPeople credits to view the original and see what it really says!
Skinmellyarce, Pollokshaws
Henry Dain age 40, larpoer man, born Ireland (occupation is possibly labourer mason)
Jean Dain age 41, born Kirkmodon, Pallowayshire (think that's Kirkmaiden)
Janet Dain age 15, bancher, born Kirkmodon, Pallowayshire
John Dain age 13, cotton mill worker, born Kirkmodon, Pallowayshire
Margaret Dain age 11, cotton millworker, born Kirkmodon, Pallowayshire
Elizabeth Dain age 9, pokery worker, born Kirkmodon, Pallowayshire
Henry Dain age 7, born Straiton, Ayrshire
Mary Dain age 5, born Strutar, Ayrshire
James Dain age 4, born Strutar, Ayrshire
From that it appears the family were in Kirkmaiden until after the birth of Elizabeth, then moved to Straiton in Ayrshire, but had moved back to Pollockshaws some time after the birth of James.
They are in the 1851 census:
Cullstow, Straiton, Ayrshire
Henry Drain age 26, ag labourer, born Ireland
Jane Drain age 28
Jennet Drain age 5, born Kirkmaiden, Wigton
John Drain age 4, born Kirkmaiden, Wigton
Margaret Drain age 2, born Kirkmaiden, Wigton
You now know John's brother William was born in 1861 and his parents were Henry Drain mason's labourer and Jane McLellan who were living in Pollockshaws at the time. This looks like them in the 1861 census, very poorly transcribed by Ancestry. Worth using up some ScotlandsPeople credits to view the original and see what it really says!
Skinmellyarce, Pollokshaws
Henry Dain age 40, larpoer man, born Ireland (occupation is possibly labourer mason)
Jean Dain age 41, born Kirkmodon, Pallowayshire (think that's Kirkmaiden)
Janet Dain age 15, bancher, born Kirkmodon, Pallowayshire
John Dain age 13, cotton mill worker, born Kirkmodon, Pallowayshire
Margaret Dain age 11, cotton millworker, born Kirkmodon, Pallowayshire
Elizabeth Dain age 9, pokery worker, born Kirkmodon, Pallowayshire
Henry Dain age 7, born Straiton, Ayrshire
Mary Dain age 5, born Strutar, Ayrshire
James Dain age 4, born Strutar, Ayrshire
From that it appears the family were in Kirkmaiden until after the birth of Elizabeth, then moved to Straiton in Ayrshire, but had moved back to Pollockshaws some time after the birth of James.
They are in the 1851 census:
Cullstow, Straiton, Ayrshire
Henry Drain age 26, ag labourer, born Ireland
Jane Drain age 28
Jennet Drain age 5, born Kirkmaiden, Wigton
John Drain age 4, born Kirkmaiden, Wigton
Margaret Drain age 2, born Kirkmaiden, Wigton