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Dublin / Re: Dublin Street Directory 1930s
« on: Wednesday 29 June 22 11:53 BST (UK)  »
Hello. I was interested to read of your interest in the families who lived at 42 Cowper Road, Rathmines. My husband, Mike, has some information, including photographs, that may be of interest as his uncle (Erwin Goldwater) lived there and Mike visited with his mother as a boy (there's a photo of him with his mother and uncle, sitting on the steps of the house, and others involving members of the Fine family). If you'd like to see the photos, please do get in touch.

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Lancashire / Re: Valentine Walls (Blackrod/Aspull/Wigan) where did you come from ?
« on: Tuesday 28 August 18 12:03 BST (UK)  »
Has any progress been made towards resolving the many puzzles surrounding the Walls families of Blackrod, Lancashire? Family Tree DNA autosomal testing is providing some very useful insights for my own line, but as I have no known Walls first cousins in the direct male line, and my only male Walls second cousins are not interested in family history, I am unable to investigate Y-DNA to enable me to trace back the origins of my great-grandfather beyond my 5g-grandfather, Valentine Walls of Blackrod. There is a Family Tree DNA Wall/Walls Y-DNA project that is producing interesting results for its members. Are there any male Walls direct descendants out there who are interesting in DNA testing?

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Lancashire / Re: Amy Hoyle/Hankin/Mcintrye?
« on: Thursday 02 March 17 20:09 GMT (UK)  »
If you'd like more information on the findings of the UCLan research, please let me know.

I've found some more about Gore Balshaw. There is a report in the Chester Courant of 4 April 1809 that at Lancaster Assizes GB was found guilty of manslaughter, fined one shilling, and imprisoned for 6 months. At the same assizes nine men were condemned to death for such crimes as "uttering counterfeit money" (technically a form of treason) and sheep stealing!

Ancestry has registers listing the outcome of assize trials including GB's but for an account of his trial I think it would be necessary to visit the National Archives at Kew.

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Lancashire / Re: Amy Hoyle/Hankin/Mcintrye?
« on: Wednesday 01 March 17 13:23 GMT (UK)  »
Research has been carried out at UCLan (Preston) into the Gore and Balshaw families as part of investigations into the agricultural history of Lancashire. I believe that one conclusion about the Gores (and perhaps by implication also the Balshaws who intermarried with the Gores) is that "too many daughters" were born (hence leading to the need for dowries and to transfer of female wealth to their husbands on marriage). Perhaps UCLan's library has more information, e.g. in the form of dissertations by former students of UCLan?


I gather that a Gore Balshaw was charged at Lancaster with the "killing and slaying" of Sarah Holme of Lydiate in 1809 (according to the Lancaster Gazette of 25 March 1809). I have not yet been able to find out more about this case.

Another Gore Balshaw was subjected to bankruptcy proceedings (1871); his address was given as 22 Great Homer Street, Liverpool.

My own connection with these two families has as a result of DNA testing on my brother's Y-DNA (Gore) and via autosomal DNA from both my brother and me.

Let me know if you'd like more information on the above.

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Lancashire / Re: Valentine Walls (Blackrod/Aspull/Wigan) where did you come from ?
« on: Friday 28 February 14 14:49 GMT (UK)  »
I agree that a stepmother would have been useful if Valentine didn't have a paid housekeeper, sisters, aunts or mother/mother-in-law around to help, but I haven't seen any reliable evidence to point conclusively to Valentine having married Catharine Green after the death of Alles.

The lack of baptisms for two Valentines is not, for me at any rate, evidence that only one man was involved. I have several ancestors on my tree for whom I haven't been able to find baptisms despite much investigation by me and by others. Some of these missing records can be accounted for by damage/destruction, which I know to have taken place in the disruptive times in  the 17th and 18th centuries (as for example occurred at Rivington Unitarian Chapel).

Do you know conclusively which of the following two Valentines here is which?

Burial: 13 Apr 1774 St Katharine, Blackrod, Lancashire, England
Valentine Whalls -
    Abode: Blackrod
    Register: Burials 1727 - 1782, Page 97, Entry 25
    Source: LDS Film 2148001

Burial: 29 Jan 1780 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancashire, England
Valentine Walls -
    Abode: Blackrod
    Buried by: Richard Perryn, Rector
    Register: Burials 1772 - 1812, Page 26, Entry 12
    Source: LDS Film 1526140

Quote from: andrewalston on Thursday 20 February 14 20:46 GMT (UK)
Burial of Alles (nee Orret) 13 May 1749 at Blackrod (from the LPRS):
Alles w Vallintin Walles

Valentine was left with a large family - the couple had 11 children baptised, including twins in April 1749. Acquiring a stepmother for the children would have been very important, even if there was help from relatives.

On an unrelated topic: I know you are interested in the name Donbavand. Are you aware of this record? I realise it may not be of consequence but thought I'd mention it after I found it when investigating Simm ancestors.

Marriage: 2 Aug 1759 St Oswald, Winwick, Lancashire, England
James Simm - this Parish
Jane Key - (X), this Parish
    Witness: James Bankes; William Donbavand
    Banns Read: 15 Jul 1758, 2nd: 22 Jul 1759, 3rd: 29 Jul 1759
    Married by Banns by: John Lowe Curate



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Lancashire / Re: Valentine Walls (Blackrod/Aspull/Wigan) where did you come from ?
« on: Sunday 16 February 14 22:18 GMT (UK)  »
I am still seeking evidence that Alles Orret and Katharine Green were the first and second wives of Valentine Walls. Is there a joint gravestone? Is there any source that says that Valentine was a widower when he married Katherine? Are there wills? Are there family bibles? The only records of Valentine's marriage(s) I have seen quoted in trees are the (notoriously unreliable) IGI records. Has anyone seen the original parish registers and/or bishop's transcripts? Is there DNA evidence from known descendants of Alles and Katharine?

I'd love to be convinced that Alles and Katharine were married to the same man. Evidence, please?


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Lancashire / Re: Valentine Walls (Blackrod/Aspull/Wigan) where did you come from ?
« on: Tuesday 20 August 13 13:25 BST (UK)  »
For more information please contact me at . The address below is now defunct.

If you'd like to see my Tribal Pages tree, which has more information, feel free to contact me via
Best wishes, Mary
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Lancashire / Re: Valentine Walls (Blackrod/Aspull/Wigan) where did you come from ?
« on: Friday 28 June 13 17:41 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your reply. This is my g-grandfather:

Walls, William
b. 04 Mar 1846, Guide, Lower Darwen, Lancs
m.  Livesey, Mary, 25 Apr 1873, St John`s CofE, Abram
d. 13 May 1900,Warrington Road, Abram, Lancashire

He was son of:
Walls, Robert, b 1814, Blackrod
 m1 Margaret Dickinson, 20 Dec 1835,St Wilfrid`s, Standish; m2 Maria Hatton SepQ 1865, Wigan
d  Platt Bridge, SepQ 1879

who was son of:
Walls, Thomas
b. ABT 1777,    Blackrod
m.  Walker, Sarah (Sally), 28 Oct 1802, Billinge
d c 25 Oct 1834, Blackrod

who  was eldest son of:
Walls, Thomas
b. 1755, Blackrod
m.  Doughty, Betty
d Blackrod?

son of:
Whalls, Valentine
b ?
m.  Green, Katharine,    24 Sep 1753,Wigan
d BEF 13 Mar 1774

If you'd like to see my Tribal Pages tree, which has more information, feel free to contact me via mary[dot]sayers[at]virgin[dot]net.

Best wishes, Mary

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Lancashire / Re: Valentine Walls (Blackrod/Aspull/Wigan) where did you come from ?
« on: Thursday 27 June 13 14:05 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Prouty99 on Tuesday 12 February 13 22:07 GMT (UK)

"I have been researching the Walls family in the Blackrod/Aspull/Wigan area, and have hit a major brick wall with Valentine Whall (walls) b abt 1700, d 1774 and his brother Robert Whall (Walls) b abt 1710 d 1774. "



Like everyone on this forum I'm stuck with my Walls line at Valentine (my 5g-grandfather) who was buried at Blackrod in 1774.  My great grandfather, William Walls, always maintained that the family had Scottish roots. The name Walls does indeed occur commonly in Scotland (see, for example, http://gbnames.publicprofiler.org/Map.aspx?name=WALLS&year=1881&altyear=1998&country=GB&type=name)

Has anyone explored this possibility?

I have found Y-chromosome  DNA testing for my son and brother to be very helpful and found it interesting also to find out about our shared mt-DNA even though the latter doesn't help directly with genealogy. I intend to have autosomal testing as soon as I can arrange this, so I am hoping that this might shed light on my Walls links and others.

If anyone would like further information on testing or on my Walls links, please get in touch.

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