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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: James William And Arabella Florence – Early NZ settlers
« on: Friday 03 August 18 07:16 BST (UK)  »
Jools
Nice to make contact. Do you think we can discount the birth of:

"James John Payne, born 05/11/1808 in St Sepulchre to father James and mother Hannah"

James John Payne was one of at least four children born between 1796 and 1809 to James and Hannah, with another late comer in 1823! There is a death as follows which could be the same James John Payne?

Name:        James John Payne
Burial:        5/4/1837
Place:         St Sepulchre, London


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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: James William And Arabella Florence – Early NZ settlers
« on: Thursday 02 August 18 23:13 BST (UK)  »
I have also seen this baptism record and assume that is why the birth date has arisen and has since been taken as 'gospel' by other searchers. James has also been allocated another set of parents in another online site simply because the name 'Payne' appears! ??? Until a family member comes forward with a copy of of a record, as you say, I propose that his parents are 'unknown'. As you have raised, James' first born child to Jane Florance was christened with a middle name 'Pain' and this is the only online record with this name. Another note is that Arabella's impressive memorial monument notes husband "Cpt James Williams". James called himself 'Captain' in his whaling days and this stuck.
I have written a summary about James in an online e-newsletter and can give you if you want to private message me. I also have a very detailed summary from his early whaling days through to his second marriage, and includes the Florances early days in England and Jane's parents who went onto USA (Jane came with the family on the Bolton which is how she met James). :)

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: James William And Arabella Florence – Early NZ settlers
« on: Wednesday 01 August 18 19:35 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Jools, I will keep a look out for the book.
I am a bit slack as I resort to writing Florance with an 'e' sometimes. The birth records for Jane Florance - James William's first wife and a direct ancestor - and her parents/siblings were all transcribed with an 'e'; no doubt should have been an 'a.'
I think, along with other researchers, that I have found all I can about James - discounting the non-referenced info. such as his supposed birthdate and 'parents' - no record has surfaced to date to verify these and therefore are purely a guess unless proved otherwise. No names were entered on his death certificate so not even his children appeared to know much about his background, apart from 'tall' stories he might have told. No engraving has surfaced either if there is still one to be had. At least we have a first-hand description of James from Wakefield's journal when he arrived in NZ. A 'big' character all round by the sounds of it! :)

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: James William And Arabella Florence – Early NZ settlers
« on: Sunday 27 May 18 09:47 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Spades.

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: James William And Arabella Florence – Early NZ settlers
« on: Sunday 27 May 18 07:58 BST (UK)  »
Excellent ideas, many thanks.

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: James William And Arabella Florence – Early NZ settlers
« on: Sunday 27 May 18 07:19 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks for feedback. Spades, interestingly the written biography is an article which I wrote for an online NZ Family Newsletter. The article was cut and pasted in full (including my first person comments!), without reference and under this person's own name. Very disappointing when this happens.
 
As mentioned, I am looking for an image only at this point. I will invest in a subscription as suggested, with the hope there is a photo in the Ancestry Trees, thanks.

Very happy to keep in the public forum, however, if someone has an image they wish to share privately, I will confirm in this forum as such.   

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New Zealand Completed Requests / James William And Arabella Florence – Early NZ settlers
« on: Sunday 27 May 18 03:51 BST (UK)  »
James Williams (also referred to as James Payne Williams) was an early NZ settler/whale station manager; he married newly arrived UK immigrant Jane Florence, and after her early death he married Jane’s younger cousin Arabella (also of the missionary Kendall family). James and Arabella went on to have a number of children. A written description of James exists but I have yet to come across his engraving in early records. Arabella’s final will and testament however, refers to a framed engraving of her deceased husband James.   
I am therefore seeking anyone who might have this image, or any other image of James in their family records. I and other descendants have collated a lot of information about James.  A Private Message would be very gratefully received if anyone can be of help in this regard.

Tracey NZ, Descendent of James and Jane


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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Looking for marriage c. 1899 London/Greater London
« on: Saturday 06 February 16 21:04 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Shaun J, I hadn't picked that up in entirety.
 
Ray, Just read your post; looking back at the thread referred to, I agreed with the possibility of the information, linking up as it did with census timelines and locations. I subsequently bought a 'round' as your say and verified that Annie was indeed 'Barnett' through my grandfather's birth cert. I am therefore now back to looking for a marriage for 'William Hall and Annie Barnett' as stated in my opening post, nothing further than that.
 
I am at a total loss as there are no Hall/Barnett marriages on BMD UK from 1899 +/- 10 years. I hadn't thought of looking for a marriage in Buckinghamshire for a 'Hall' only around that time, with possible alternate bride names so that was helpful. I will buy another round to discount the Sevenoaks marriage, or who knows, possibly verify. Other than that it may be they lived in name only.

Cheers
Tracey NZ   


   
 

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Looking for marriage c. 1899 London/Greater London
« on: Saturday 06 February 16 19:15 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Ray, Kay and all

The census information provided is correct, including Annie's death date.

As I cannot find a Barnett/Hall marriage 1899+/- 10 years, the BMD marriage provided for William J Hall and Annie 'Jerman' is as you say, a possibility. All I can think is that she married previously and remarried under a different name. I see that the district they potentially married is about an hour's drive away, in today's world, from Charles birthplace. I would have to purchase the marriage certificate.
I have discounted the marriage in Seven Oaks provided in the public tree, which I have seen before but has had some inconsistencies and no verification attached. 

Thanks for your time, much appreciated.

Tracey

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