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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Absolutely stumped!
« on: Wednesday 16 July 25 10:30 BST (UK)  »
Well, that's a step in the right direction.

You may need to consult the burial records of Dundee Howff http://www.fdca.org.uk/Howff_Burial_Records.html

I see that one Flora McDonald or Kennedy, aged 81, was buried there on 15 December 1857. Her death is indexed as Donald or Kennedy, ref 282 / 2 / 998.

There is another Flora McDonald, 84, who died in Dundee on 1 December 1857 and was buried on the 2nd. She was single, parents unknown.

There are two Flora McDonalds in the 1841 and 1851 censuses in Dundee.

One is in Wellington Street, Dundee, age recorded as 60, in 1841, with another Flora McDonald, aged 20. Both born Scotland but not Angus. She may be the one lodging in 1851 with a Catherine Hay, age said to be 72 and born in Ross and Cromarty.

The other is alone in Hawkhill in 1841, aged recorded as 57, born Angus. She may be the one alone in Nethergate in 1851, aged 71, born Fort William.

Or the 1851 ones may be the other way round.

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Absolutely stumped!
« on: Tuesday 15 July 25 12:37 BST (UK)  »
Scotland Select Deaths & Burials just had the name and the date.
That's because the LDS etc mostly have only indexes or transcriptions. The clue is in the word 'select', i.e. not comprehensive. Do not rely on the LDS indexing. Make sure to view the original document,

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The important thing was the parents, I needed to confirm that this was indeed the right James.  (One person has his parents as a landed "General Sir..." and his Lady!)
Very wise. Never trust anything you find in an online tree!

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John and Flora were on S. Uist and the 1841-71 censuses show him alternately as a Joiner or a Crofter (the latter in 1871) and they were 83 and 84. 
I see that in 1871 (according to one transcription) they are at Ruaghchruach, Benbecula. Benbecula is a separate island between South Uist and North Uist, and it is part of the parish of South Uist. In 1861 the place name is written as Rhuavrach.

The 1851 census (transcription) says that James M*cdonald was born in Dundee but the 1861 and 1871 say he was born in Glasgow. How can you be sure that the John and Flora M*cD in Benbecula are his parents?

You absolutely need to view the original death certificate to confirm that the James McD who died in 1872 is the husband of Ann Lawson and to see what it says his father John's occupation was.

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Absolutely stumped!
« on: Monday 14 July 25 18:32 BST (UK)  »
(They, too, were still alive on the 1871 census :John MacDonald and Flora Kennedy.  And, no, I cannot find their death details either!).
Please tell us what the 1871 census says about them: where were thy, how old were they, what was his occupation, where were they born, and who else was in the household with them?

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I've tried every which way on LDS too.
If they're not on SP they're not likely to be on the LDS web site because the LDS is mostly an index to what is on SP. Unless there's a gravestone on FindaGrave or BillionGraves which has been indexed or transcribed by the LDS.

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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: William Mustard
« on: Friday 11 July 25 16:57 BST (UK)  »
There's a stone in Michael Kirk, Drainie, commemorating William Mustard, farmer at Muirton, who died 24 May 1934, and his wife Eliza Jane Grant McCulloch, who died on 29 September 1952.

They were married in the parish of Drainie in 1903.

William Alexander Mustard was born in Drainie in 1904. As far as I can see there is no corresponding death in Scotland.

There was a James Addison Mustard born in Cullen in 1920.

James A Mustard, under 1 year, is in the 1921 census in Cullen with James, 40; Maggie, 40: Isabella, 14; and William G, 5.

You can view all these certificates at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.

There is no James Albert Mustard in the Scottish birth index.

A William Mustard, nicknamed Alan, of Alves, died in 2018. His death appears to have been registered in Inverness, age 92, mother's maiden surname Anderson.

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West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) / Re: Spalden/Spalding Kirkliston
« on: Friday 11 July 25 12:33 BST (UK)  »
Does anyone know of anywhere else I can search for Kirkliston records other than Scotland's People, Ancestry, familysearch.org, Find My Past etc?
Almost all of the information on Ancestry, FamilySearch, FindMyPast etc etc is indexed or transcribed from the originals at Scotland's People. The exception is information from other sources, such as trees submitted by other people, which cannot be trusted unless they contain a reliable source citation, such as a family bible.

See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0

All the surviving records of the Church of Scotland and Roman Catholic Church in Scotland are on SP, along with the bulk of the surviving records of the various dissenting churches in Scotland.

What is not available on SP is the records of a tiny handful of other denominations such as Episcopalian, Congregational, Baptist, Methodist etc and any records of non-Christian religious groups. In practical terms, however, almost no such records survive from before 1800.

The long and short of it is that if it isn't on SP, you are very unlikely to find it anywhere else, and certainly not if the people you are interested in were adherents of the Church of Scotland.

The Statistical Account of Kirkliston (1794) does not mention any other denomination being present in the parish of Kirkliston. The New Statistical Account (1845) mentions a great increase of population attributed to an influx of Irish labourers building the Union Canal in 1818-1822, but states that there are no Dissenting or Seceder Chapels in the parish. The inference to be drawn from this is that the entire churchgoing population of Kirkliston in the late 18th century adhered to the Church of Scotland. Therefore I would say that it is 99.9% probable that there are indeed significant gaps in the Kirkliston records and that your missing Spaldings' baptism records, if the ever existed, have not survived.

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Now the Christen Spalding, who I assumed was the Christina Spalding in question is recorded as being born in 1826 on the census, not 1822
. No, she isn't. The original census never gives a year of birth. It tells you the age the person claimed to be on census day.

In 1841, however, adults' ages were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years, so someone recorded as 15 could be any age from 15 to 19, and, because the census was taken on the night of 7 June 1841, and assuming their age is accurate within those parameters, they could have been born any time from 8 June 1820 to 7 June 1826. So Christen's age is probably accurate, but not precise.

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But, it cannot be her as Christina apparently married John Campbell on the 22nd May 1841 in Kirkliston and the 1841 Scottish census was taken on the 6th June. So, surely, she would appear on the 1841 census with her husband?
The date of marriage in the parish register is likely to be the date on which the first proclamation of banns was recorded, rather than the date of the actual wedding. Sometimes the register also gives the date of the wedding, but not always. Have you looked at the original record? Whatt does it tell you?

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Excellent advice, except that the document the OP is looking for is not available online because it is after the cut-off period for online viewing

- 100 years for births
- 75 years for marriages
- 50 years for births

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Midlothian / Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
« on: Tuesday 08 July 25 18:15 BST (UK)  »
1901 census, St Pancras:  James Barrett, 41, gardener, born Edgeware; Mary, 38, born Hatfield; William, 11; Eunice, 9; Louis, 7; Alice, 4; and Ellen, 2, all born Highgate.

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Midlothian / Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
« on: Tuesday 08 July 25 18:04 BST (UK)  »
Ah .... the birth of William James Barrett, mother's maiden surname Webb, was registered in Pancras in 1890, March quarter, vol 1b, page 184.

James Barrett and Mary Webb's marriage was registered in Edmonton in 1889, December quarter, Vol 3a, Page 361.

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Midlothian / Re: Isabella Allan Barrett born 9 Aug 1916 Penicuik
« on: Tuesday 08 July 25 17:35 BST (UK)  »
And how old was he when he married?

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