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The Common Room / Re: Brick wall - a real long shot
« on: Sunday 08 February 15 15:57 GMT (UK)  »
That is an interesting photo, cloudcuckoo. Septimus had 3 sons (George Oliver b. 1872, John Edward b. 1873, and Henry b. 1883). Two of them were 10 years older then the third, so we may be able to take a guess at which ones are in the photo. (If you reply to this you will have 3 posts, and will be eligible for private messaging.)

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The Common Room / Re: Brick wall - a real long shot
« on: Thursday 15 January 15 02:54 GMT (UK)  »
Hello cloudcuckoo, welcome to the thread. Your wife is the third of Septimus' great-grandchildren to tangle with it (the other two are MaggiMae through Nellie's brother Henry, and me through Nellie's brother John / Jack). It seems that all of Septimus' children had to copy out the journal of their grandfather's trip to America!

As far as the Pierce ancestors in the 18th century are concerned, the tradition that they came from Wales and the West Country now has names and dates, although I am not sure if anyone has verified them (much of what I was told about the Pierces has turned out to be hogwash, so we need to cautious). Not that we really need a Welsh immigrant to explain George's appearance in St. James Westminster in 1769, since there were multiple families of Pierces living in the parish in the 1730s and 1740s, and he could have been descended from any one of them.

Do you have any old Pierce family photos, documents or memorabilia, apart from the copy of Samuel Pierce's journal? We have a few interesting things that we would be interested in sharing. Also a little information about the maternal lines (Sophia Brorone/Brown & Ann Margaret Morgan). If  you make 3 or more posts you will be eligible to send and receive private messages, which may be preferable for this sort of exchange.

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Essex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Rowland's or Larrett's
« on: Sunday 04 May 14 19:34 BST (UK)  »
I recently found an abstract of Northy Rowland's will (written in 1847 and proved in 1854). It refers to his wife Priscilla, to his sons Thomas, William, Peter, Northy, and Samuel, and to his daughters Sarah (Lester), Eliza (Crosby), and Ann (Reed). It seems reasonable to assume that his son Thomas is our ancestor Thomas (who married Caroline Franklin).

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The Common Room / Re: Brick wall - a real long shot
« on: Friday 11 April 14 00:40 BST (UK)  »
An interesting aside regarding Samuel Oliver Pierce (1800-85) and his younger sister Jane Beale Bleaden Pierce (1805-86) - they married another brother and sister, Ann Margaret Morgan (1800-72)  and her younger brother Robert William Morgan (1801-72), both children of Robert Morgan (b. 1772) and Elizabeth Fell, who had married as a minor in 1796.

They celebrated a double baptism in St Anne, Soho on 4 January, 1832, when Edward Pierce and Eliza Jane Morgan were baptised together.

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Essex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Rowland's or Larrett's
« on: Friday 07 March 14 14:41 GMT (UK)  »
Several family trees on this site assert that Northy Rowland (b. Coggeshall 1776) was the father of Thomas Rowland (b. Coggeshall 1806), and it could  be true, but I too would like to know what evidence there is.

I am descended through Thomas' youngest son, Benjamin Revett Rowland. Incidentally, I would love to know why Thomas' two youngest children (Hannah Revett Rowland b. 1850 and Benjamin Revett Rowland b. 1852) both have Revett as their middle name. Any thoughts?

Richard

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The Common Room / Re: Brick wall - a real long shot
« on: Sunday 30 June 13 21:48 BST (UK)  »
Welcome to the Pierce family thread, Margarita.

Speaking of private messages, MaggiMae could you check yours?

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The Common Room / Re: Brick wall - a real long shot
« on: Sunday 24 March 13 19:04 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Margaret, I last saw Rosalind and John 30 years ago when we visited Joan in Ipswich and they came over to her house too. We have unfortunately lost contact since then.

Now, getting back to George Pierce . . .

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The Common Room / Re: Brick wall - a real long shot
« on: Sunday 24 March 13 00:47 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Margaret, Jack and John are the same person. His daughter Ettie (Henrietta) was my mother.

I believe that the house on Regent's Canal is still standing where his father Septimus was born in 1842 (and where his father Samuel Oliver Pierce was still living in 1853 - http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/21414/pages/570/page.pdf). If I understand it right, 32, Warwick Villas, Maida-hill West is now 32 Maida Avenue W2 1ST. Richard.

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The Common Room / Re: Brick wall - a real long shot
« on: Sunday 17 February 13 20:36 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Margaret, it is a pleasure to meet you online. I am descended from Henry's brother John (who was my grandfather), so we can't be too far removed. In the 1925 Compromise which finally settled the distribution of Samuel Oliver Pierce's estate (40 years after his death!), Henry is listed with his daughters Marjorie and Beatrice.

I was fascinated to hear that your branch also has a copy of the Journal of S. Pierce's Tour to the United States of 1853. It must have made quite an impression on the family for different members to handwrite a copy for themselves. I assume Samuel Oliver Pierce wondered if he was related to President Pierce, but any relationship would have been remote, since the President's ancestors had been living in New England for over 200 years. However, if you compare surviving pictures of the two gentlemen, the possibility of a common ancestor cannot be ruled out:

President Franklin Pierce:


Samuel Oliver Pierce:


Incidentally, I do not think Samuel Oliver Pierce was ever a coach master. A subscribers' list of about 1840 describes him as a conch master, which was a popular item of jewelry in Victorian times. Most likely he made them as well as sold them in the Soho jewelry store. At that time he was living in Maida Hill (Paddington), and we have a Child's Book of Games that his son Septimus won as a school prize while they were living in that house in the 1840s. My guess is that he retired from the jewelry business around 1850, bought Ryde House in Twickenham, and had the time and money to live comfortably and do some travelling. We have another journal that he wrote of a trip to Paris in the 1860s.

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