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This would fit the Ancroft birth registration
REDPATH, ELEANOR       mmn LILLEY     
1842  Sept Quarter in BERWICK UPON TWEED UNION  Volume 25  Page 20   

The only way to confirm you are on the right track is to get the marriage certificate for Eleanor

Hi Rosie

Thx. Yes, I'm hoping somehow or sometime I will be able to track down the certificate. Most of the evidence points to the Lilley's but there are so many branches of Redpaths in the area its hard to be sure.

regards Duncan

Dear all

I would be grateful if there are any people researching the Redpaths, Lilleys and Cloughs around the Ancroft, Norham, Ord,, Tweedmouth, Ford, Holy Island etc areas of Northumberland (Durham in 1841 census). Especially if people have access to marriage records or baptisms.

Note Redpath is also spelled Ridpath and Ridpeath etc and Clough is also spelled Cleough etc

I have been doing extensive research for years and with a combination of census records, family history and a few other researhers I am fairly confident that my Gx2 grandfather George Cl(e)ough (b approx 1845 Norham) married Eleanor/Ellenor Redpath (b c1842 Ancroft). I have tracked the most likely Eleanor to be the daughter of Robert Redpath (b c1818 Ancroft) and Mary Lilley (b c1822 around Scremerston). They lived in a range of places Cheswick, Loanend, Ford, Hipsburn etc.

Marys father was James Lilley (b c 1779 Bowsden), mother not known.

I have no information on Roberts parents (hence the request) but some other people on the site I use have his parents as George and Ellenor (both c 1791) living very close by in Cheswick on 1841 census but no full evidence of family link

I have also seen some conflicting evidence about George Clough marrying an Elizabeth Rutherford. However this contradicts my family history of a Redpath link and only one person has this link.

It is quite hard tracking these links using the census since they were mostly ag labourers who moved all over the place in that region (farm to farm) and the informant on the census often used different  birth localities within what is clearly (usually) the same family. The localities often referred to farms and hamlets etc and spellings also change

Often I have noticed that birth places change according to who people are living with and where they are living. Especially women's birthplaces which sometimes seem to change to whether they are living with parents of with a husband.  I have tried tracking most of the Redpaths and Cloughs availab le in that region in the 1841-91 census to try to confirm and am fairly sure of my information. However as you will know, other people's research (without sources) can often be misleading

What is hard to find are the baptism and marriage records with details of parents. So if anyone is doing that kind of research I would be grateful for any pointers

The main registration districts are Berwick and Glendale I think

regards Duncan

Hi

Thanks everyone. I know its quite possible. There are just a few lose ends and inconsistencies to confirm it. I am currently filling out as much as I can of the other Lowes families in the different areas in order to check. My biggest problem is what happened to Esther and if she is the same Esther as the 1851 census in Tanfield. In which case there is a Lowes Tanfield link, another John Lowes who I have baptism record from Tanfield (married to Dorothy), along with the incosnsitencies in birthdates and places. I know the 1841 census was often a bit inaccurate. If I can commplete the picture with Tanfield Lowes', Hedleys and Taylors it will confirm everything. I'm still hopefull of finding some birth records from Leeds

thanks all
Duncan

Thanks William

So that confirms they are all a different family really, since my 1851 family was John (born Leeds) and Eleanor (born Denton Burn, Northumberland). So I can rule out the Hedley parents too

So I'm still looking for my 1841 record

I will keep looking Thanks for the help

regards Duncan

Quote from: Millmoor on Thursday 02 February 17 01:38 GMT (UK)

The baptism record for John Lowes in Tanfield 1805 Parents Robert Hedley and Eleanor Hedley gives the abode as Lintzford.

The 1851 Census has the following entry in Trimdon, co. Durham

John Lowes 45  Head mar Coalminer Born Durham Linsford
Dorothy Lowes 39 Wife
Dorothy Lowes 8 Daughter
Robt Hedley Lowes 6 Son
Ellen Lowes 7 months Daughter

Linzford and Linsford looks pretty similiar to me.

William

Hi

Yeah, its really strange. The abscence of other records makes it hard to pin down. I guess for me there are a few links to Tanfield

1. Johns bptism record (Robert and Elenor parents) - could have been born Leeds and baptised Tanfied I suppose
2. Esther living in Tanfield in 1851 - suggesting family links there

Other John's census records all have born Leeds (1851-1891)

Its just quite a few discrepancies but it could still be the same John

I will try and find other records too. For the moment they are linked as tentatively the same family

best Duncan

Hi Duncan

Having looked again at the 1841 census for John Lowes while his age is transcribed as 30 the 0 could conceivably be a 6.

I may be missing something but the only evidence linking to a Lowes family in Tanfield seems to be one baptism.To my mind the evidence provided by Alan is pretty persuasive probability wise that the 1841 John Lowes is yours.

Perhaps the best way for you to resolve your impasse would be to obtain  some certs. eg birth cert for Esther  and John George. There is a death for an Esther Lowes of the right age in Gateshead Oct - Dec 1859 and a burial record in Heworth. Her death cert. and the informant's name on it might prove helpful.

William