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Australia / Re: ANY RChatter going to Rookwood need camera & fh outside the square thinking
« on: Wednesday 13 November 13 04:42 GMT (UK)  »
As a point, Jane Napthali's (Nee Batwell)  husband was James Napthali.

He died in 1885 reg no: 3084.  (Leichardt).  Searches so far have not turned up where he is buried.  I have ordered a transcript of his death certificate in the hope it may turn up something,

Bart

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Australia / Re: ANY RChatter going to Rookwood need camera & fh outside the square thinking
« on: Sunday 10 November 13 06:32 GMT (UK)  »
Dawn,

Thomas Batwell is the father of Jane Batwell.
died 10 Apr 1883 of Apoplexy
Buried in St John's Cemetery, Parramatta, NSW C of E.

What is strange though, is there is no mention of any of his children on the death certificate.
He had 8 children, 3 were deceased by 1883.
His wife died in 1866.
Further info can be seen here: http://trees.ancestry.com.au/tree/14278176/person/84739797

Bart

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Australia / Re: which George MOSS
« on: Sunday 10 November 13 01:15 GMT (UK)  »
Muss,

Jane (James) is buried at SEC*M1*6**66
Adjoining burial sites: 

Almedo, William 09 Jun 1879  22 SEC*M1*6**65
Feeney, Mary 01 Jul 1879  40 SEC*M1*6**67

A quick search turned up zilch there.  But thankyou for the idea!

Bart
 
 

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Australia / Re: which George MOSS
« on: Friday 08 November 13 21:34 GMT (UK)  »
JM, wow!  What a post.  I spent ages last night going through the NSW BDM and looking at the numbers.  No joy though

Merlin:  many thanks for your help.  Was getting there! That is the second time I have seen Napthali spelt Napthlia.

It does however deepen the mystery even more.  Why is she interred with someone with the name "Silva"  This name does not even feature anywhere in the family tree!  I have found the associated birth, and the parents aren't related to her...  Grrrr....

The next time I am in Sydney, looks like I am going for a wander around Rookwood!

Again, many thanks.

Bart

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Australia / Re: which George MOSS
« on: Thursday 07 November 13 19:44 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the welcome JM.

I have been unable to find a death certificate for Jane, as I have tried every derivation of the surnames Napthali, Moss and Batwell.  Given that she died in Aug 1883, I have even searched for every person named Jane who died in 1883 in NSW... No names stick out there....

What I do know about Jane:
B: 03 Apr 1841 (have BC)
had 3 children to a George Moss
  1: Albert (b 1862, have BC) mother living at Hill St.  Mother listed as "Jane Batwell", and birth registered as a surname of Morris.  Father "George Morris", born London, age 39, occupation, storeman.  The age given is 9 years younger that what George really is.
  2: Rebecca "Rose" (b 1863, have BC) Mother Jane Batwell, living at Liverpool St.  Father, George Moss, 41 years, storeman. 1 boy living from marriage, marriage in 1861 (no marriage cert ever found)
  3: Annie Leah (b 1866, have BC) Mother Jane Batwell, living South Head Rd, birth at harris St Pyrmont. father is George Moss, storekeeper, 40 yr old, born London.  3f, 6 m living from 1st wife, 2f, 1 m living by previous wife.

Married Albert Napthali 10 Oct 1874.

On Jane's death it was reported in the SMH by her son, Albert (11 Aug 1883)
NAPTHLIA.-August 11, at the residence of her son, Albert Moss,
Kent-street, Jane Napthlia, in the 42nd year of her age, leaving a son and two daughters to mourn their loss. Beloved by all who knew her. 

Albert also listed details about the funeral in the SMH:
THE Friends of ALBERT MOSS are respectfully invited to attend the funeral of his deceased mother, Jane Napthali ; from his residence, 401, Kent-street, at 1:30 p.m. tomorrow(Sunday), for the necropolis. KINSELA, Undertaker.

The mystery still remains as to which George Moss was the father of her children, however Annie's birth certificate gives the strongest clue regarding the children prom previous marriages.

Hope this helps,
Bart

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Australia / Re: which George MOSS
« on: Thursday 07 November 13 09:34 GMT (UK)  »
Thankyou Cando for the information on the Napthali's, however the Jane Napthali (nee batwell) I am looking for died 11 Aug 1883, and the funeral was held 12 Aug 1883.

The entry you posted was for Jane Napthali (nee lamb) married 1893 to Albert Napthali.

My only hope at this stage is to check Kinsela's records to see where was interred at.


Bart Smith

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Australia / Re: which George MOSS
« on: Wednesday 06 November 13 09:43 GMT (UK)  »
I stumbled across another death notice on Jane Napthali (nee Batwell).  See here: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/111029478
The Friends of ALBERT MOSS are respectfully invited to attend the funeral of his deceased MotherJane Napthali ; from his residence, 401, Kent-street, at 1:30 p.m. Tomorrow (Sunday), for the necropolis. KINSELA, Undertaker.

So....  Given that Charles Kinsela was the undertaker, has anyone got access to the Kinsela Burial registers that can look up where she might be buried?

Assuming the necropolis was rookwood, I have searched their online database, but no luck.  Hopefully a headstone might shed a bit more light.

Any assistance appreciated.

Bart Smith

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Australia / Re: which George MOSS
« on: Sunday 11 November 12 03:42 GMT (UK)  »
hello All,

I am the original author of the webpage that Regross references on the first page of this chat.

Rose Moss is my great Grandmother, hence my interest.

I need to clear a few things up in regards to the children of Jane Batwell and George Moss.

I have come to the conclusion that Jane and George had 3 children, 2 girls, 1 boy.  Below are the proofs/findings.
     1:  The death notice in the SMH for Jane only mentions the 3 children, not 4.
     2:  I have never found a birth certificate for Rose.  On her marriage and death cert, she mentions a birth date of 1864.  This seems very close to Rebecca.
     3:  I have the marriages for Annie, Albert and Rose.  No Rebecca
          a:  A Rebecca Moss did marry a Joseph Gardiner, however the parents of Rebecca are lisrted as Mary Kain and Jospeh Moss.  The parents (mother in particular) name are not remotely like "Bridget Batwell (nee Devan)
     4:  I have the deaths for Annie, Albert and Rose, no Rebecca.
     5:  With the above proofs, I have come to the conclusion, that Rebecca is indeed Rose.

Rebecca did not marry Joseph Gardiner.  See point 3a above.  In addition, I have this certificate if anyone wishes it.

I have assumed that despite that a marriage to George Moss being noted on the birth certificates in 1860, that there was no marriage foe whatever reason.

I have seen the newspaper advert ( http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13203176?searchTerm=%22george+moss%22 for George selling up in Sydney in April 1870, and moving to Melbourne.  Unsure of exactly why he went there.
 As to the warrant, it was issued in Victoria, not NSW, thus jane and the kids were still there in 1872, George was back in Sydney.

Jane married James Napthaly in 1874.  Whilst it was after the death of George, it is unsure if the marriage to James was the result of george's death.  What is of interest, is that Janes sister, Ann Batwell, married benjamin Napthaly (brother to James) in 1858, some 16 years before Jane married James.

I have the following certs/transcripts for anyones use: (Batwell/Moss)
Bridget Batwell (nee devan):  Death
Thomas Batwell:  Death
Jane Batwell: Birth, Marriage & Death
Rose Moss:  Wedding & Death
Rebecca Moss:  birth
Annie Leah Moss:  Birth & Marriage
Rebecca Moss:  (not related)  marriage to Joseph Gardiner
Albert Moss:  Birth & Marriage
James Napthali:  Death

Hope this helps,

Bart Smith

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