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Lincolnshire / Re: St. Thomas' church Skirbeck Quarter Boston
« on: Monday 05 November 12 22:00 GMT (UK)  »
Frank, You have come up trumps here, I am so pleased with the information you have gathered for me its one of the best insights to the life and times of some of my relatives that I have had. I put the family history on a software programme and this is where I shall record what you have told me. I have provided family history notes and charts to my brother, sister, and cousins and I shall bring them up to date as well. Reading what I have I can hardly think Edward Newton had a drink problem, more that he was too good mannered and kindly to chase the farmers to pay their bills if indeed the story of him going out of business is actually true. I took photo's of the area you refer to when I came to Boston and know where the flats you refer to are so can picture now the location of Oldmans Terrace.

With reference to Oldman's Terrace and the choir members in 1913, my uncle did a sketch for me from the days he was courting his future wife in the late 1940's when she lodged with Walter Broadley. My great grandmother lived in No1, her neice Flo Townsend in No2, Isacc Francis Bedford who was great grandmothers brother in law in No3 and Walter Broadley her son in law in No4. ( 68 - 74 London Road ). Merry Cave lived in No 2 until his death and rent free thanks to his uncle William Oldman the baker who set up a trust and that was one of the conditions in it. So three of the choir members lived in Oldmans Terrace at one time or another and for all I know my great grandmother could have been in the congregation.
Roger B

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Lincolnshire / Re: St. Thomas' church Skirbeck Quarter Boston
« on: Saturday 03 November 12 21:15 GMT (UK)  »
Pam, Not sure if it got to you or I lost it but I did send to say I was very grateful for the burial information and hope sometime to get to Boston to have a look round the graveyards. I live around 60 miles away in Northamptonshire so not so very far away. I have now registered with Lincs to the Past so will be doing some exploring on that site.

Thanks again
Roger B

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Lincolnshire / Re: St. Thomas' church Skirbeck Quarter Boston
« on: Friday 02 November 12 19:24 GMT (UK)  »
Pam thanks for the information given and the offer to look into some burials, I guess from what you have said the following might have been buried at St Nicholas's except for Sarah Lister Pannell.

Top of my list on burials are:

James Cole Pannell ( died 5/10/1889 ) and his wife Charlotte ( died Oct - Dec 1876 ). These were my great, great grandparents.

James Cole Pannell ( died 31/12/1891 ) and his wife Sarah Lister Pannell ( died Oct - Dec 1941 ) my great grandparents. They had 7 children and four died in infancy and I wonder about their burials also.
Alice Pannell - died Oct - Dec 1882
James Cole Pannell - died Apr - Jun 1881
Kate Pannell - died Apr - Jun 1881
Ernest Pannell - died January 1885

I would expect there to be gravestones somewhere as both my great, great grandfather and my great grandfather had small building businesses and I think were stone mason's as well.
Thanks  Roger B

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Lincolnshire / Re: St. Thomas' church Skirbeck Quarter Boston
« on: Thursday 01 November 12 17:01 GMT (UK)  »
Frank, the Oldman you refer to was William who owned the bakery, Oldman's Terrace, the paddock alongside the terrace and some other land elsewhere, I have all this in writing from the time of his death in 1896. He passed the bakery on to his nephew Edward Newton sometime before his death but under what arrangements I am yet to find out, if ever. It was also a corn merchants and within my family it has always been rumoured that Edward lost the business either because of drink or due to bad debt from farmer's not paying their bills. Susannah, Edwards wife was my great grandma's sister and William Oldman's wife Sarah was her aunt.
Where any of these people are buried I do not know, I thought I would find gravestones at St Thomas's when I visited but alas no. I am sure you know that Edward Newton's son Edward Oldman Newton and his wife Hannah Maria are buried there as is Walter Broadley's ( my great uncle ) parents George and Betsey.
As a matter of interest William Oldman's brother Richard lived near to him in London Road and he was in business as a cordwainer.
How many times has it been said that we should of asked more about the relatives when we were younger and some of them were still alive. Another problem for me has always been that neither my grandmother or mother who were the links to this area lived very near and in all honesty were not too outgoing so didn't have very strong ties with their relatives in London Road. You have to take into account also that mobilty wasn't so good, my own father didn't have a car until the mid 60's.
Roger B

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Lincolnshire / Re: St. Thomas' church Skirbeck Quarter Boston
« on: Wednesday 31 October 12 21:54 GMT (UK)  »
Another photo showing Oldman Cottage No 47, London Road and including part of the bakery as it was last September when I visited.  :)Roger B

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Lincolnshire / Re: St. Thomas' church Skirbeck Quarter Boston
« on: Wednesday 31 October 12 21:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hope I am not sending this information again but I have just had some problems. The numbering in London Road is certainly confusing to me. You lived at No 54 a flat above the bakery but now perhaps due to renumbering the house next door to the bakery is No 47 and in the window light above the door in gold lettering is the name Oldman Cottage so I am fairly sure this is where William Oldman the baker lived

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Lincolnshire / Re: St. Thomas' church Skirbeck Quarter Boston
« on: Monday 29 October 12 17:56 GMT (UK)  »
Frank, Skirbeck Map with higher resolution. Roger B

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Lincolnshire / Re: St. Thomas' church Skirbeck Quarter Boston
« on: Monday 29 October 12 17:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Frank and RedRoger.
I am attaching part of an 1800's plan for Skirbeck and have marked on it Oldmans Terrace and Newton's bakery because I seem to be confusing you as I have little practical knowledge of the area. If you print it off on A4 paper it comes up reasonably well.
This is the first of my chats as I think with attachments it doesn't leave a lot for words.
My connection with the Broadley's Frank is as follows. My great grandparents James Cole and Sarah Lister Pannell had three living children, Sarah Ellen, Elizabeth and Charlie my grandfather who left the area pre 1911. Sarah Ellen married Walter Broadley but she died quite young, they had one child Ellen ( Nellie ) who married Herbert Hackfath, she was the organist at St Thomas's. Elizabeth Pannell married Frank Bass Bailey. All of them lived in 1-4 Oldmans Terrace ( 68 - 74 London Road ) at some time or other. When Ellen Hackfath ( nee Broadley )died in 1960 she was living there as was Elizabeth Bailey ( nee Pannell ) when she died in 1962. The premises were demolished in the 1960,s expect along with Middlecott Almshouses.
My one remaining uncle of that generation who is now 92 years old visited his uncle Walter Broadley and cousin Ellen a lot in the late fourties up to 1951 as they had a lodger Agnes Grant a policewoman from Scotland who he married at St Thomas's in 1951.
Roger B

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Lincolnshire / Re: St. Thomas' church Skirbeck Quarter Boston
« on: Sunday 28 October 12 20:31 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Frank, I was very interested in your chat about St Thomas's church which I visited last year. It was nice to see the neat and very well looked after grounds unlike so many these days. I noted four gravestones of interested to me, Edward Oldman Newton son of Edward who you mentioned, Isacc Bedford brother in law to my great grandmother Sarah Lister Pannell, Merry Cave and Arthur Oldman Cave both brothers of Sarah. The Oldman comes from a link with William Oldman who left the bakery you also mentioned to Edward Newton. Enough of that or I shall either confuse you or bore you to death. Ellen ( Nellie ) Hackforth ( nee Broadley was the relative who played the organ at St Thomas's and before he died my uncle told me he could remember when he visited Boston pumping the organ by hand for Nellie. She lived in Oldman's Terrace until she died in 1960. I would be grateful for any information, I would love to know what happened with Edward Newton and the bakery as there have been allsorts of rumours in the family as it is believed he had money troubles and had to sell the business. :). Best of luck with your DVD and celebrations. Roger

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