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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Belcher’s of Bradford but of Irish descent.
« on: Wednesday 15 October 25 20:54 BST (UK)  »
Hello Biggles
 
Very pleased that my post was of some assistance.

In the 1871 Bradford Census featuring Esther Belcher Carroll/Daniel Carroll the next door neighbour is James McCormack with wife Sarah marrying in Bradford in Dec 1860. Sarah was previously married in Mar 1855 to William Fitzgerald died 1858. Sarah's maiden name in this marriage was Colbert.  This seems to point to the fact that Esther Belcher (mother Ann(e) Colbert) and Sarah Colbert Fitzgerald McCormack were perhaps cousins confirming the Belcher and Colbert connection. Or simply a coincidence.

I have one anomaly perhaps that you can clear up.

John Belcher b1834 son of John Belcher and Ann(e) Colbert features along with his wife
in the Bradford census of 1891 living with son John b1860 listed as father and mother.  After this census he just seems to disappear.  Have you perhaps any info?

Cheers Dan

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Belcher’s of Bradford but of Irish descent.
« on: Saturday 25 March 23 15:12 GMT (UK)  »
Hi

Just come across your post ref Irish Belchers in Bradford. 

Your John Belcher b1834 Louth - I presume you mean Co Louth married Mary Gargin (Geohagen).
My research shows that John was born Nenagh Co Tipperary.

In the 1861 Census this John appears as Belshaw (BMD confirms children born as Belcher) "living on pension". I have found evidence that he was wounded in the Crimea and it is this record that shows him being born Nenagh.

I claim that his father was John Belcher b ca1801 Ireland who features in the Censuses of Bradford 1861/1871 first with his daughter Catherine Belcher (who later marries and emigrates to Mass US as Catherine Evans) and then as father-in-law with Esther Carroll nee Belcher my Great-Grandmother, husband Daniel Carroll (Esther transcribed as Bulger in 1851 Census along with sister Rachel - who very late in life emigrates to Mass US as Rachel Seymour). All these people living in close proximity including John Belcher Sr's brother - Francis. John Sr also has another son William (Belsher) b1825 Ireland died Canada 1908 and whose gravestone is marked as being the first Belsher to emigrate.

John Belcher Sr appears in the Tithe Applopments in Townland of Clash (just east of Nenagh) Co Tipperary. William Belcher is also here that I presume is his father. Under the naming pattern first born son named after the father's father - William.  Second born son named after the father - John.  Following the naming pattern William's wife would be Rachel.  There is a Rachel Belcher along with children of Francis Belcher being baptised C of I in the nearby Parish of Aghnameadle 1839.  It quotes Rachel as being born in 1769 (age 60) so possibly a religious conversion.

In the Griffiths Valuations he appears in the Townland of Brownstown in the Kings County panhandle.

There are several Petty Courts entries for him at Nenagh both in the 1830s and 1860 the latter immediately prior to his emergence in Bradford as a widower.

John Belcher Sr was married to Ann(e) Colbert - plenty of Colberts in the Cloughjordan/Modreeny area of Tipp.  I have no record of marriage nor her death but a death cert in US of Catherine Belcher Evans gives mother as Ann Colbert.

I have Gurney in my tree.

DNA links me to Colberts Ottawa area Canada.
DNA links me the Belchers,(Belshers) also in Ottawa area Canada.

How do these facts hold with you?




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The Common Room / Ancestry - Super Deal
« on: Tuesday 23 August 22 20:28 BST (UK)  »
For anyone considering joining Ancestry and taking out a DNA test, I reckon this is a super deal.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/dna/

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The Common Room / Re: Anyone Recognise?
« on: Saturday 03 July 21 19:23 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Girl Guide on Saturday 03 July 21 18:18 BST (UK)
I'm not sure that the man is holding a camera.  It doesn't look right.  It appears to be in two colours and there are two long curved rods? that he is holding.  If it is a camera it is a very strange one.

You are correct.  I jumped to the wrong conclusion. 

I have now come up with this picture of the artefact and have come up with an idea of what it is.

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The Common Room / Re: Anyone Recognise?
« on: Saturday 03 July 21 18:05 BST (UK)  »
Just to elaborate.

My mother's parents were Carroll with documented links to Mountmellick area of Co Laois and Caher in County Tipperary and McNulty centred on Killasser in County Mayo. If the people in the photograph were relatives I would plump for the McNulty connection.

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The Common Room / Re: Anyone Recognise?
« on: Saturday 03 July 21 17:54 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Maiden Stone on Saturday 03 July 21 16:30 BST (UK)
Definitely a cactus growing out of the nun's head. A change from a halo.
 What is the man holding? A child's toy?
Nun habits changed during 1960's. Nuns at my school sprouted legs, to the amazement of one child.  ;D
Somebody on the photographic board may be able to see clues. Maybe give your thread a more specific title to include word "nun" + surname of your grandparents.

Thanks for your reply.

I am fairly certain that the chap is holding a camera which suggest they are visitors to the area.

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The Common Room / Re: Anyone Recognise?
« on: Saturday 03 July 21 17:51 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: pharmaT on Saturday 03 July 21 17:05 BST (UK)
looks similar to the habit that they used to wear at Notre Dame de Montreal but they have a black veil over the white.  However that doesn't explain the cacti.


edit: On second thoughts i think it may be a novice from the order of scared heart of st mary. They have a convent in Southern California, that would explain the background.  I don't think they wear this style of veil these days.

Thank you for your input.

Having failed to locate a similar habit I too thought it may be the Habit of a Novice.  I will check out your named Order.

Thanks again.

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The Common Room / Re: Anyone Recognise?
« on: Saturday 03 July 21 17:49 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Erato on Saturday 03 July 21 16:47 BST (UK)
Here are some sample nun outfits but I don't see one exactly like the one in your photograph:

https://ecommons.udayton.edu/sisters/

Thank you. I also looked on line to no avail

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The Common Room / Anyone Recognise?
« on: Saturday 03 July 21 15:54 BST (UK)  »
Hello

This 'photo was amongst my late mother's possessions.  Unfortunately I do not recognise the people on the 'photo and there are no notations other than that it was taken in the 1950s.

Although living in Bradford, England, my mother's parents were from Ireland with known connections to Counties Laois, Mayo and Tipperary and the USA.

I was wondering if anyone out there recognises the Nun's Habit - I have checked out Google to no avail, and thus give me an inkling where the convent may be located.  To all intents and purposes it appears that the Nun is probably a relative of one of the people in the 'photo.

Thank you.

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