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Essex / Re: O'oo Cottage Thundersley
« on: Friday 01 November 13 23:55 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Wesley100 on Wednesday 23 October 13 13:17 BST (UK)
Hi Natalie
I have spoken to two people who may have known your relatives but unfortunately neither could recall a family by the name of Morris or shine any light on why the cottage got the name O'oo.

The proper name is Hillside Cottage, although our friend says that when she was a girl it was referred to as Scudder's Cottage, and I'm pleased to say that it still exists. Undoubtedly it is internally substantially different from when our respective families lived there as then it was divided in two with my family (the Scudders) living in the right hand side as you look at the building. Fortuitously, from the outside at least, it hasn't changed greatly being, I think, a listed building and probably one of the last Essex weatherboard cottages left in the area. The division of the property would explain the overlapping dates you mention. I have some reasonably current photographs of the outside and if you would like to PM me your email I'll find them and send them to you.

Unfortunately my great grandfather, Stephen Scudder, didn't own the property - as so many in the area he was a farm worker and I doubt that he was ever in the position to buy his own house. I seem to recall my grandmother saying that it was rented - I have some notes from conversations when she was alive and if you will bear with me I'll see if there is anything in them that will help and email it to you.

Hi there

I've just got back to find your email! This is all fantastic and I think you may be right about the renting angle.
I would love any pics or anecdotes u can dig out for me and once I've worked out how to pm, I will do so!
I have trawled through the 1911 census for Thundersley and the name Scudder comes up frequently,(especially on Daws Heath) so I guess you have a very local connection to the village!
I really do appreciate all of your efforts for my researches and I'm over the moon to discover the cottage is still there.
Many thanks and look forward to speaking to you soon
Natalie

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Essex / Re: O'oo Cottage Thundersley
« on: Tuesday 22 October 13 22:04 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Wesley100 on Tuesday 22 October 13 21:39 BST (UK)
Hi

My grandmother lived at O'oo Cottage on Daws Heath, Thundersley for a considerable number of years - from the 1890s until she married in the 1920s. If you are still wanting to find out more I will check with a family friend who has lived on the Heath all her life (now in her 90s) and see if she can throw any light on the reason for the name.

Oh wow thats incredible!!!
Your family friend may even remember my relatives!
George and Maud Morris nee Till. I have a couple of photos of them sitting outside the cottage but not of how the cottage looked and I presume it has now gone? I would love to visit Thundersley and find it still there!
It would be lovely if you could find anything you could on the name. It may well be that George purchased the cottage from your grandmother. He was alot older than Maud and had children and a previous wife Ellen or Nellie who died in 1911 before he married Maud (late 1911).  He had my Uncle George Morris Till out of wedlock and before his previous wife had died.
Confusingly I know that my father was born at O'oo Cottage in 1915 which doesnt correspond with your grandmothers history. However, it does suggest the likelihood that George DID buy the property from her, which is very exciting.
I am so glad that you have responded as so much of my fathers family history is a mystery.
Many Thanks in anticipation
Natalie

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Occupation Interests / Re: Farming Bailiff called William Morris early 1800's
« on: Sunday 30 September 12 19:47 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: sallyyorks on Saturday 29 September 12 11:29 BST (UK)
Daisy i trawled the papers over a  death that might have been suicide or a drunken accident  (at a train station)  but i coudnt find anything  , The only way might be to send off for his death certificate .

Thanks sallyyorks

I have his death cert which states "suicide" "unsound mind"
No further information.
The papers of the time tend to go in to alarming detail, so I was hoping to find it that way as was aware that Coroners records are difficult to trawl thru.

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Occupation Interests / Re: Farming Bailiff called William Morris early 1800's
« on: Saturday 29 September 12 00:12 BST (UK)  »
Gosh!
Thanks all for all these fantastic leads!
I suspect Yardman, farm bailiff, etc were aspects of the same role and possibly depended on the size of the estate where employed?
I am currently searching his son William Morris suicide in the London Standard newspaper, but to no avail.
He died on 23 July 1865, Notting Hill. I have searched each paper from the next day to the following friday for the report.  Have also looked in the Pall Mall Gazette.
Does anyone know how long it takes for a reporter to get notification of a suicide?

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Occupation Interests / Re: Farming Bailiff called William Morris early 1800's
« on: Friday 28 September 12 18:38 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: stanmapstone on Friday 28 September 12 08:43 BST (UK)
Quote from: daisydigg on Thursday 27 September 12 22:08 BST (UK)
Hi there

Is there another name for farming bailiff?
daiseydigg

Farm steward.
From the Dictionary of Occupational Terms: Bailiff, farm bailiff, farm manager, farm steward.

Stan

Thanks Stan

I will investigate Fam Stewards

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Occupation Interests / Re: Farming Bailiff called William Morris early 1800's
« on: Thursday 27 September 12 23:40 BST (UK)  »
Hi Valda

This could be William Morris jnr!
I don't know how you did that in 30 mins..u r a genius!

Thank u so much.

daisydigg

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Essex / Re: O'oo Cottage Thundersley
« on: Thursday 27 September 12 23:03 BST (UK)  »
Yes it is!
Thank you very much!!   :D

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Occupation Interests / Re: Farming Bailiff called William Morris early 1800's
« on: Thursday 27 September 12 22:46 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: behindthefrogs on Thursday 27 September 12 22:38 BST (UK)
I suppose you could call a farm bailiff a farm manager.  He would have run the farm for the person who actually owned it.  This could have been the lord of the manor, someone of higher rank or someone with money.  The owner often lived close to the farm but would have had little to do with the day to day running of it.

Thank you for this behindthefrogs!!
I will start searching for a farm manager.
Thank you

daisydigg

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Occupation Interests / Re: Farming Bailiff called William Morris early 1800's
« on: Thursday 27 September 12 22:42 BST (UK)  »
Hi
yes sorry!

ok, William married Fanny May on 9th Nov 1864. He was 45, and a widower (gentleman) and she was 39 and a spinster. I have already traced the Mays and they came from Henley on Thames and hoped that, there was where they met, but that is not the case.
As an aside, on Williams death cert (he died 23 July 1865) his occupation is retired butler. And on his will it says he was previously of No 34 Grovesnor Sq (where he was in service) Fanny May was also in service before they met but across kensington, so could they have met this way?
They had my grandfather out of wedlock in 1862.
He was registered as George Morris May. Presumably he drops the May bit when William marries Fanny.
Hope this helps.
This is ALL i have.
Oooo apart from the name of the people William worked for at Grosvenor Sq. Richard Benyon de Beauvoir. I have checkd out his other estates but nt really come up with anything.
Thank you
daisydigg

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