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Renfrewshire / Re: BOWIE/CRAIG Renfrewshire...Brickwall!
« on: Sunday 30 September 12 21:03 BST (UK)  »
Hello again Lynn

I hadn't thought of the Tax on Apprentices register for Allan Bowie and his sons - I think maybe you got that from the Public Record Office in Kew? I recall it's one of the few Scottish records (as with army records) held in London because it came under a British umbrella. If you have that I would like to see it. My e-mail address is *
If you want to contact me on that I can send back what I have to you.

Did you find anything on Allan Bowie himself in the tax on apprenticeships register or do you think there is scope for further research?

I came across the article on the Quarrelton mining accident earlier this week through a  basic google search!
I am not sure where the Eaglesham link comes in? I did notice it on the new version of www.familysearch.com (the 'Mormon' site) whilst searching the Bowie name again recently.

I am thinking that gathering detail on all the Bowies at Abbey parish may be a start to going further. I note from the Abbey baptimsms and marriages that the name Allan Bowie/Buie appears even 100 years before our Allan married 1786 so there seems to be a chance that his family had been in the area a long time. I'd like to go back and search the Sasines (land registers) more fully and move onto the registers of deeds at the National Archives in Edinburgh. Their site at www.nas.gov.uk shows, under their search mechanism, an Allan Bowie, Smith at Quarrelton, in a legal matter - so I'd like to go and get that in the next few weeks. Hopefully more will come together to solidify who these Bowies are and find more info on Allan Bowie and Agnes Craig.  Although their granddaughter Margaret Johnston (died 1928 Glasgow, aged 86) was in Glasgow city much of her married life, from c.1871 and her descendants, down to my mum (her gt-granddaughter) also grew up in Glasgow city, I myself grew up in the Abbey parish rural areas (strangely enough) so feel a connection to it. My granddad (who would have been a gt-grandson of Jean Bowie, the daughter of Allan Bowie/Agnes Craig) did used to mention that his mother's side had come from Johnstone, though and that one of them married a member of the famous Coats of Paisley family - who that was I have yet to find though!

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Renfrewshire / Re: BOWIE/CRAIG Renfrewshire...Brickwall!
« on: Saturday 29 September 12 20:55 BST (UK)  »
Hello Lyn

The property (some small amount of land and a house I'd imagine) was actually in Johnstone, or what became Johnstone, c.1786 as the town was, as you may know, purposefully laid out on farmland etc - it wasn't a village that grew into a town. So plots of ground were leased/sold to incoming families to populate the original small area. Therefore. most of our Johnstone-based ancestors would have come from either the original more rural verging Renfrewshire areas or even further afield maybe.

I can look out what I have and scan it to you if you want - I'd need your e-mail address.  I would like too to find the parentage of Allan Bowie and I found some new info this week in old newspapers that refer to Allan Bowie, Blacksmith at Quarrelton and other Bowies - I will reply more detail to you in a day or two. Sometimes going through other family ie supposed siblings of Allan, can come up with evidence. 

Gavin

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Cavan / Re: Cassidy family to Manchester 1850-1860
« on: Wednesday 26 September 12 11:30 BST (UK)  »
Hello Tracker 2

My grandmother (b.1905 Glasgow) was a daughter of Annie Cassidy, whose family came from Donegal. She recalls an 'Uncle Eddie from Manchester' (ie Edward Cassidy) a relative of her mother (possible her mother's uncle) visiting Glasgow from Manchester a few times.  Plus Annie Cassidy herself (my grand mother's mother) had two brothers, John and James who left Glasgow to live in Salford and Manchester around the 1890s.   Don't know if we have a link?

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Renfrewshire / Re: BOWIE/CRAIG Renfrewshire...Brickwall!
« on: Wednesday 26 September 12 11:05 BST (UK)  »
also just noticed seekthem's advice that a lair book of Johnstone High Church exists, the whereabouts known by a former Minister? Is this able to be searched, do you know?
Thanks

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Renfrewshire / Re: BOWIE/CRAIG Renfrewshire...Brickwall!
« on: Wednesday 26 September 12 11:03 BST (UK)  »
Hello
Just joined this. I have Allan Bowie, the Blacksmith and his wife Agnes Craig as direct ancestors too on my mother's side. Her gt-grandmother was Margaret Johnstone, b. 1842 at Johnstone, youngest child of Thomas Johnstone, Cotton Spinner and his wife Jane (Jean) Bowie b.c.1802 at Johnstone. Jane died 1886, aged 84, at Johnstone, Ren, her parents listed on death record (according to her son, the Informant) as Allan Bowie, Blacksmith & Agnes Craig. So she was one of the younger children it would appear.

I did find Allan Bowie, Blacksmith & Agnes Craig in the Register of Sasines (land ownership) for Renfrewshire, where it refers to Robert Craig (Agnes's father?) owning some land property in Johnstone; and an original estate type record found at Glasgow City Archives [which includes Renfrewshire material] for the Houston of Johnstone family (the big landowners of the day there) for Robert Craig too.

I am interested to know how you came up with your extensions from Agnes Craig?  Hopefully someone with an emigrant ancestor (mine stayed here, I live in Glasgow), say a child of Allan Bowie, would have knowledge passed down the generations, of where and who Allan Bowie came from. There is potential for more actual research on this couple, I know that, so I may look again - it was years ago I did the original research.

There are some old buildings still there in Johnstone town. The old High Church graveyard does, as you know, only have a few stones legible and looks like most were buried in an unmarked area.

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