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Canada / Re: clan ian ruadh of knoydart
« on: Wednesday 31 October 12 02:16 GMT (UK)  »
The following are three exerps from a 5 page letter belonging to but not written by Father Ewen J MacDonald:

Sliochd Ailein Vic Ailein - MacDonald’s of Knoydart, Scotland

This was a branch of the Clanranald, and a branch that disappeared territorially in 1611, when the lands they possessed became the property of the Glengarry branch etc....

Another branch of the Clan Donald (but not the Clanranald) had some of its members in Knoydart, Scotland, known as Clan Ian Ruadh, a sept of MacDonald’s of the Loup. Descendants of this branch also came to Alexandria, Ontario in 1784, or thereafter etc............

Those who remained in Knoydart no doubt were to some extent displaced in their lands by clansmen of the Glengarry branch. Father John MacDonald of Alexandria, Ontario, who was born in 1782 and died in 1879, compiled a genealogical tree of the Clan Ian Ruadh of Knoydart, a branch of the MacDonald’s of the Loup, and he left also some genealogical details of descendants of Silochd Ailein Vic Ailein, who came to Alexandria.  Martin McEane Vc Rorie and his brother, Donald, were of the Clan Ian Ruadh, and these names appear in the list which I have given for the year 1628.

March 13, 1940                                MacIan

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Canada / Re: clan ian ruadh of knoydart
« on: Tuesday 30 October 12 20:28 GMT (UK)  »
“In the ancient Celtic culture, the history and laws of the people were not written down but memorized in long lyric poems which were recited by bards, in a tradition echoed by the seanchaithe.
Seanchaithe were servants to the chiefs of the tribe and kept track of important information for their clan. They were very well respected in their clan. The seanchaithe made use of a range of storytelling conventions, styles of speech and gestures that were peculiar to the Scottish folk tradition and characterized them as practitioners of their art. Although tales from literary sources found their way into the repertoires of the seanchaithe, a traditional characteristic of their art was the way in which a large corpus of tales was passed from one practitioner to another without ever being written down.”
If the Reverend Father John MacDonald had lived a generation or two earlier in Scotland he would have been the seanchaithe of the clan. Because of the Clan system there is no other group of peoples in the world that have the mountains of great genealogical information available to them. This gathering of family histories was important to Father John as a seanchaithe but more important was because he was a priest and when he married his flock he would be sure that they were not too closely related. Father John had a third reason for making sure of his accuracy in putting his Clan Ian Ruadh together as he was a descendant of that line. This is why I have been able to fit myself into his line as we were first cousins.
Father John was a genealogist and spent 65 years compiling histories. Father Ewen J MacDonald would spend over 60 years working with Father John’s great works. The most prolific genealogists were Duncan Darby MacDonald (deceased) and Alex Fraser who put all of his together in books and in charts for us amateurs to use or not use.
The key here is that these people have opened a door for us and you can enter or not. If you do then use what you find or not but thank them for their fantastic contributions without saying that most of what they did was incorrect.
I have had Father Ewen’s personal fonds for 10 years and would say that if he had all of Father John’s works in his possession he would have used it to reproduce charts as well as create new charts of his own. Never the less this very accurate information would not have been ignored as there was no other source on the Highlanders of Glengarry County.
To say that Clan Ian Ruadh (John Roy) didn’t exist is to say there were no MacDonald’s in Knoydart. Most of the MacDonald’s of Glengarry Country came from Knoydart and descended from John Roy or Clan Ian Ruadh. My own 3rd Great Grand Father Angus Ian III MacDonald who was married to Father John’s Aunt Catherine came in 1802. He was the son of Ruari, of Angus, of Neil, of Angus, of Dougall, of Ruari and of Ian Ruadh who was my 10th Great Grand Father. The information on my line came from the works of Father John and six years ago I completed the Clan Donald DNA test to prove the line back to Somerled my 20th Great Grand Father.
Anyone thinking they may be connected to this line can prove it with a simple test.


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Canada / Re: clan ian ruadh of knoydart
« on: Tuesday 25 September 12 23:41 BST (UK)  »
Peter,

The originals of Father's fonds are held by Ontario Archives in Toronto. They copied them for me on 8 - 35mm reels and I have a viewer/printer so I spent some time with them and then donated them to Maggie MacDonald Archivist at the Library of Clan Donald on Skye.

Tal

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Inverness / Re: Knoydart Burial Grounds.
« on: Sunday 16 September 12 16:51 BST (UK)  »
I have been to the Kilchoan Graveyard and have some pictures if interested.

Tal MacDonald
Canada

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Canada / Re: clan ian ruadh of knoydart
« on: Saturday 08 September 12 22:07 BST (UK)  »
Peter,

Noticed your post regarding Ian Ruadh of Knoydart. In Donald Whyte's book he shows a Martin MacDonald from Knoydart INV to Halifax NS 1787 settled Knoydart, Antigonish Co children John and Martin Jr. This Martin Jr has children Hugh, Donald, Ronald, Angus, Mary, John and Flora. I assume this is your line and that you have this information. I also notice your line on charts that I have. One is from the library at Clan Donald on Skye and the other done by Fairbanks MacDonell. The latter was done on certain MacDonald's and MacDonell's that had Priests and Bishops in their lines. The line coming down from Ian Ruadh, Ruari, Dougall, Angus Buy, Ian, Donald, Martin has Archbishop Ronald, Rev Roderick, Rev Ronald and Rev Joseph. I assume also that this is your line. I connect to this line showing us as 8th cousins. Some years ago I purchased the personal fonds of Rev Ewen J MacDonald (St. Finnan's) who was a genealogist and put together many charts and from this and other sources I built my line back to Somerled. Eight years ago I did a DNA test along with the seven current MacDonald chiefs that confirmed our paper trail. Have tested or considered it?

Tal

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Canada / Re: clan ian ruadh of knoydart
« on: Monday 27 August 12 21:36 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

The Clan is John Roy MacDonald from Knoydart and he is my 3rd Great Grand Uncle.
The Father John MacDonald of Alexandria (Paster of St. Raphael's) was my 1st Cousin and the son of John Roy above.


Tal MacDonald

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Inverness / Re: Macdonell's, Knoydart, 1773
« on: Monday 27 August 12 20:22 BST (UK)  »
Stacey,

I am a Canadian MacDonald / MacDonell from Knoydart and the John Roy MacDonald mentioned is my 3rd Great Grand Uncle.
I normally prefer to stay on a message board but in this case I think I can help you and would prefer to do it off line.

Regards,

Tal MacDonald
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