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Warwickshire / Re: On finding the real EDWARD ASHWIN!
« on: Monday 17 September 12 15:17 BST (UK)  »
I have just succeeded in ordering on line Arthur's book, which I discovered at the same time was called 'Gold to Grass'. I am so excited! I wanted to buy two copies so I could give one to my first cousin who has invited us for Christmas dinner. At the same time I discovered one could order a copy of an interview with Robin Ashwin who is my father's godson and who has had a distinguished diplomatic career. I believe he is back in Adelaide and in view of the fact that he's is a good deal older than I, I really must try to contact him on this visit.He is the descendant of Charles Ashwin, Alfred's brother whom you mention.Charles Francis Godrey was born in 1816. He married Caroline Amelia, daughter of Joseph Reece of Essex and had 3 children: 1)Caroline Grace 2) Godfrey Napier, married Mabel Rosa Gibson and had a son Edward Manley 3) Charles Stephenson married Eliza Sarah Joy ? and had a son Eric Charles Godfrey who went back to signing his name Ashewynne. He had a son Eric Charles Francis Godfrey born 19 October 1890. He married Mary de Quetteville (there is a de Quetteville terrace in Adelade), daughter of Rowland Barbeuson Robin (hence the name Robin). They had two sons, Philip Manley born 5 September 1929, married Patricia Mary Ann Russell and had a number of children, and Charles Robin who married OchChe of Seoul and had a son and a daughter.
Alfred Jenkin and Charles Francis Godfrey had 5 brothers and sisters. George Thomas, born 1811, Charlotte Grace born 1809 were both older, and then after came Caroline born 22 January 1818, died at Cheltenham unmarried, Fanny Ellen Eliza born 21 August 1021, died 22 May 1834 and William Manley born 11 February 1825 lived with his aunts in Cheltenham and all trace of him was lost.
Indeed Alfred and Susannah's grave must have a plaque. Tell me how you fare with that. My grandmother, Ethel Maud, is in the Mitcham cemetery which was fairly newly opened when she died and she is surrounded by her old Adelaide friends.The rest of the Ashwins are in the West Terrace cemetery which is close to the centre of the city, being one of the first ones built. Ethel was exceptionally beautiful and in fact my father met a man who said she was considered the most beautiful girl in Adelaide. She was very vain and had a high opinion of herself I have heard. She was much photographed in wonderful dresses but I need some technological help to get these onto the site to show you! She had a very active social life I gather, balls, parties non stop and she also won medals for lifesaving, being a great swimmer, a skill my father inherited,  but sadly not I! It may have had something to do with the fact that her father had built his house right on the seafront. She also spent a lot of time in India, especially when her brother, Malcolm was there, and she was an avid traveller, something my cousin Janet and I have inherited. It must have been a very great change for her to find herself a vicar's wife deep in the Enhlish countryside at the rather isolated parish of Thorneyburn, far from the sea and within sight of Hadrien's wall.
You have told me so many things! I had no idea there was a street named after Arthur in Alice Springs. I have been there a couple of times and my cousin Janet very often. What is the street called exactly...my daughter will have a look at Christmas when she is there.
Tell me what else you would like to know.
Best wishes, Susan
 

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Warwickshire / Re: On finding the real EDWARD ASHWIN!
« on: Sunday 16 September 12 13:16 BST (UK)  »
Hello Beth, Goodness me! Speaking to a hitherto unknown relative twice in a day is very novel to say the least. I am gathering from the time difference that you must be in Australia.

Do I dare say that in view of his 8 further children and the 18 that were born to the family in NZ, these Ashwin men were pretty....active!

I was in Ballarat a couple of years ago for the first time but had no idea I might have any ties with the place.You do not say at all where you are now.

Yes, my simple exercise books are handwritten originals. At least, I imagine it is he who wrote them. I am amazed and heartened to learn that there exist published copies of his writing and am dying to see them.My first cousin on my mother's side, who came for my daughter's wedding and will be with me from Wednesday onwards, has a first cousin on her paternal side who was very interested when I mentioned these "diaries" because she is a prominent librarian who publishes early "Australiana". I will have to tell her she's too late! Of course they have nothing at all to do with the Ashwins. Fascinating!

We must update the family tree, or rather the version I have of it.

Susan


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Warwickshire / Re: On finding the real EDWARD ASHWIN!
« on: Sunday 16 September 12 11:10 BST (UK)  »
Hello  Beth,

This site is amazing isn't it? Delighted you have discovered it too and very interested to hear you also are a descendant of Alfred Jenkin Ashwin. On my tree it is noted he remarried a Susannah Johnson ? Brick from Maidstone in Kent. I see her name was actually Birch! One of the children from this marriage was Arthur and I have two large handwritten notebooks in which he has written about his experiences in outback Australia. After him on my tree, I have Harry, who apparently died, then Ada or Alice, Wilmott,Tom and Frank, but I have absolutely no dates for any of these, no evidence that the names are correct or that they  even existed. My side of the family, as far as I know, never met them. All the issue of my great grandfather, who was Alfred Jenkin's second son by his first marriage, are in Adelaide, except that I have been in France for the last 33 years. I can tell you about the various children etc. From which of Alfred's second batch of children are you descended?

Look forward to hearing more and shall tell my cousin about you.

Susan   

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Warwickshire / Re: On finding the real EDWARD ASHWIN!
« on: Wednesday 15 August 12 13:07 BST (UK)  »
Hello again!

I am so pleased I have helped you in your research and that you are excited by the additional information. My cousin, Janet, who has the same relationship to Ethel as I, has done a lot of research on our paternal grandfather's family, but I know she'll be terribly excited to hear about our "connection".

No, my younger daughter is ŕnly going to a friend's wedding in Bretforten this weekend. My own daughter is being married in Königssee in Bavaria because she has been living in Munich for the last 6 years. Her husband is French, not German, and he is already back here in Paris, and so she is seeking a job here in order that they should live together! Yes, sometimes very difficult for me, but my family is dreadfully "international".

My daughter and her husband are spending their honeymoon in Australia because, although she has been every year, and also for her work, her husband has never been, and is anxious to discover her "other" country. I will be in Adelaide predominantly,  and in Sydney for New Year. I do not know how that would work for you.

You are correct in your deductions about our relationship. However "my" Thomas is on the tree as the son after Manley and an 8 year difference just does not seem logical does it? This requires more time, which I just don't have at the moment.

Anyway, we're off to a good if exhausting start.

Best wishes,

Susan

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Warwickshire / Re: On finding the real EDWARD ASHWIN!
« on: Tuesday 14 August 12 13:29 BST (UK)  »
It's like a disease isn't it! Despite not having the time at all, I simply had to work out the link, and I think it is this.. I have a huge quantity of information, which, as I said, really needs to be sifted through. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of any of it because I have done no research at all, but it is so detailed that for the most part, I am assuming it is correct, and some things crop up from different sources so either it's correct or just repeated family lagend!
In 1719 Thomas Ashwin of Tower Hill, Bidford married Hester Manley of Crowle, Worc.
Their fist son, Manley, born the year of their mariage, married Mary Godfrey or Godfree in 1746. Their first son, Thomas married Phoebe Cormel in 1783 and she gave birth to 10 children of which your Edward is one.
However Thomas Ashwin and Hester Manley had 6 children. Their second son Thomas, baptised 1727, married Anne Smith of Littleton. They had 5 children. The eldest son, Thomas, born 1753 married Mary Price. He was a Magistrate and was killed in the Priestley riots in Birmingham on August 12, 1791.
Thomas and Mary had 8 children. I have details on all of them, but I am descended from their second son, Thomas Price born January 22, 1777, died blind at the age of 66 in Prestbury where he lived with two maiden sisters,Eleanor and Elizabeth. In 1804 he had married Grace, daughter of William and Sarah Jenkin of Truro. They were a Quaker family. Thomas and Grace had 7 children.
Their third child, Alfred Jenkin, born Cheltenham April 12, 1814 was an accountant. His first marriage to someone as yet unknown, produced two children, Edward Marston and Alfred Gordon. It may well have been that his first wife was a Marston because this name enters the family for the first time here. Alfred Gordon was born in Cornwall in 1843 and drowned off Cape Horn in his early 20's. I am descended from Edward Marston. Incidentally Alfred Jenkin went on to marry a second time with Susan Johnson Brick and had a whole lot more children, of which the eldest has left handwritten books about his experiences exploring the centre of Australia.
Anyway, Edward Marston,born 1845 in Cornwall went to Australia at the age of 3, presumably with his father, but this has never been researched I think. He married Susannah Tapley in 1873. The Tapleys were a well known Adelaide family after whom Tapley's Hill is named. Edward Marston bought land on the seafont at the Semaphore, then very fashionable,  in 1878 and in 1884 he built a large house. He and Susannah had 4 children of which my grandmother, Ethel Maud, born 1874 was the eldest. Milford born 1876 dropped dead in the street leaving his wife Nell with 2 sons. I do not know them at all. Arthur Malcolm was born in 1778 and married Mary MacDiarmid. They had two daughters, Mary and Margaret, both of whom married and had children, all of whom still live in Adelaide to my knowledge. I have been living in France for 33 years but I have seen them occasionally. Ethel Maud married the Reverend Wilfrid Walmsley Nicholson, whom she happened to meet in Adelaide,in London, and they moved to Thorneyburn in the very north of England where my father, Bryan Walmsley was born. Their second son, Edward Marston Ashwin was born in Askam Richard, where their father died at the age of 56, leaving Ethel with 2 boys 7 and 12. She decided to return to Adelaide but contracted tuberculosis on the boat and died 6 years later,also at the age of 56. Edward married and had 3 daughters, all of whom have married and had children, but he also died at the age of 56. When my father turned 56 he had a party, although he did not know his brother's fate at that stage!! I see all Edward's children and the eldest is coming to my  daughter's wedding. I married a Dutchman and came to France. Sadly I was widowed at the same age as Ethel, but instead of having 2 sons, I have 2 daughters, although they were the same age as Ethel's sons when their father died.
I hope you can wade your way through this! As I said, I have masses and masses of stuff but not very close to either of us, but my goodness, there are a lot of Ashwins around the world!
Susan

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Warwickshire / Re: On finding the real EDWARD ASHWIN!
« on: Monday 13 August 12 12:02 BST (UK)  »
Hello Kate,
I just stumbled upon your request whilst looking up information on Bretforten Manor for my daughter who is going to a wedding in the village this coming weekend.

I am the granddaughter of Ethel Maud Ashwin whose family moved to South Australia where I was born. I have your Edward on my very extensive family tree.He was indeed born in 1790 and died in 1832. He lived at Cook Hill and had a son Martin. I am delighted to learn more about this branch of the family. Edward was one of 10 children. Manley1783-1863 marr Susannah George, (their son Manley had 6 children),Phoebe chr. 1786 marr Richard Fletcher, Thomas b.1788,died 1789, your Edward who died of black jaundice, John 1792-1797,Mary b 1795 marr Albert Robins Fletcher, Thomas c1798-1850 from Tower Hill,marr Anne Horton and had 7 children, William c 1801-1843 from Willersley,drowned in the Avon River, Charles died 1805, another Chatles born 1807.

Edward was the son of Thomas Ashwin who married Phoebe Cormel in 1783. He had a sister, Eleanor who died at birth or soon after in 1748 and a brother Manley who died in 1749.

Thomas was the son of Manley Ashwin born 1719. He married Mary Godfrey in 1746. He had 5 brothers and sisters. Thomas, baptised 1727 who married Anne ?,Elizabeth c. 1721, Esther c. 1723, William c. 1726 died 1727, and Richard.

Manley was the son of Thomas Ashwin of Tower Hill, Bidford. He was baptised in 1688 and married  Hester Manley of Crowle, Worc. in 1719.Hester was the daughter of John (Job) Manley. Thomas had 5 siblings. Mary died 1690, Elizabeth born 1692 marr Robert Pickering, John 1695-1743 marr Martha,William c. 1647 d. 1748 marr Sarah Moore, Henry c. 1700 d. 1746 marr Mary. In have a whole list of John's and Henry's children.

Thomas was the son of Edward William Ashwin, yeoman who died November2, 1721. He was married to Elizabeth who died 1723.
He seems to have been the son of an earlier Edward married to a Barbara. Somewhere it has been found that this Edward was granted an estate at Cow Honeybourne by Members of the Inner Temple in 1593.

Obviously I have not done any of this research. It all comes from a tree handed down to me, and from the tree of a certain Linda whose husband is the great grandson of Martin Richard Ashwin upon whom I stumbled whilst looking for a B and B on the English coast!!

I am a bit busy with my elder daughter's wedding at the moment but I have a lot of information which all needs to be coordinated as obviously there is an error on my tree. You mentioned you were in Australia. We could possibly catch up there over the Christmas period.I live in France.

Susan


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