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Australia / Re: Sarah Ann BEER - NSW (Braidwood 1874)
« on: Thursday 06 December 12 21:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

I've been offline doing other things for the last couple of months, but have received Sarah Ann's death certificate. Just to make things more confusing, her maiden name on the death certificate is not Beer at all, but Moore (father John Moore, gardener and mother Mary Susan Moore) from Kingsbridge, Devonshire. Estimated birthdate for Sarah Ann Moore is 1849, and suggested arrival date in Australia was around 1865?

I think the family lived in Plymouth, John Moore was born in South Pool, Devon and working as a master gardener in 1861, other children Elizabeth, John and Bessey Moore).I can't find any record of the Moore family coming to Australia in the 1860s, census records (apart from Sarah) suggest they remained in Plymouth.

So either she came out with another family, married briefly to someone called Beer before marrying Simeon Jennings in 1874? Beer may have been a corruption of Moore in the first place!

So looks like she wasn't related to the Wiltshire Beer family after all :( A cautionary tale in checking primary sources first. Any leads on the Kingsbridge/South Pool Moore family would be greatly appreciated (hopefully this is the right one this time!)

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Australia / Re: Sarah Ann BEER - NSW (Braidwood 1874)
« on: Monday 10 September 12 04:12 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

Thank you for all the suggestions and responses - apologies for lack of clarity in earlier posts as well. Someone else outlined the scenario correctly from my understanding:

My ancestor Simeon JENNINGS (b.1851 Braidwood died 1930 Sydney) married twice:

1) Sarah Ann BEER in 1874 in Braidwood.

2) Sarah Ann KING (daughter of Joseph KING and Sarah Macleice) married 1915 Sydney. Sarah Ann KING died in 1957 and is buried with Simeon JENNINGS at Rookwood (same grave). I wasn't aware of the second marriage until I got a death certificate transcription for Sarah Ann KING, as both wives had the same first names!

Simeon JENNINGs and Sarah Ann BEER  had children in Braidwood and Wagga in NSW and Echuca in Vic (including my g-g-g grandfather Edward Simeon Jennings b.1878).

Sarah Ann BEER (died 15 February 1913 in Marrickville NSW and is buried in Methodist Section Rookwood Cemetery. Her parents' names are listed on the NSW index as John and Mary S.  I'm waiting on her death certificate at the moment to find out what her mother's maiden name was and whether she was born in England or Australia. I was hazarding a guess that the BEER family in the Goulburn/Lake Bathurst region were her relatives given the location, but on second thoughts it is probably best to clarify through the death certificate.

I'll let you know when I get the death certificate for Ms Beer and if there is any joy about her ancestry! The Goulburn Beer family are quite interesting in their own right, apparently distantly related to a Sir Henry Havelock who fought in Indian military campaigns in the early 1800s.


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Australia / Re: Sarah Ann BEER - NSW (Braidwood 1874)
« on: Thursday 06 September 12 02:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

After receiving a transcription Sarah Ann Jennings (died 1957)'s death certificate it turns out she was Simeon Jennings (b.1851 Braidwood died 1930 Sydney) second wife, nee King and the daughter of Joseph King and Sarah McAliece of Kiama (the King family descends from a Moses King and Mary Wade/Wedd who came to NSW in 1832 from Tyrone, Nthern Ireland).

The Sarah Ann Jennings (Beer) I am descended from died in 1913 at Newtown, the daughter of John and Mary S. Beer and is buried in the methodist section of Rookwood cemetery. I think that she is probably the daughter of John Beer and Susannah Deacon from Trowbridge, Wiltshire who had several sons, John Beer b. around 1839 and Benjamin Beer b.17 May 1833 who both came to New South Wales and settled in the Goulburn/Lake Bathurst area. I understand Benjamin came out in 1851 on the 'Kate' occupation farmer/tanner and sponsored John's arrival in 1862 on the 'Coldstream' (occupation blacksmith). There is a Sarah Jane Beer b.September 1852 in Melksham, Wiltshire (Trowbridge is in the same are) who I think must be my ancestor.

John Beer (junior) sponsored Mary Ann Deacon and Harriet Deacon to immigrate to NSW in 1863 on the 'High Flyer'. I think Mary Ann Deacon may have had a child to him and was trying to get him to 'do the right thing by her'? They married in 1864 in Goulburn and had a number of children including Emily Jane b.1865 (married George Shoemark 1883 Goulburn died 1949 Goulburn (was the postmistress at Lake Bathurst for 50 years),  Albert b.1875, Walter b.1877, Anna M b.1868, Oswald Havelock b.1870 died 1893, Arthur A b.1872 died 1941 Marrickville,and George W b.1878 died 1884 – all born in Goulburn. John Beer died in 1903 at Lake Bathurst aged 62 and his wife Mary A Beer died in 1891 aged 50.

I understand Benjamin Beer married twice, firstly to a Rhoda Jones in 1858 in Yass (surviving children James Beer b.1860, Joseph Beer b.1862, Alfred H. Beer b.1863, Jabez b.1865, Obadiah b.1867, Arthur Benjamin b.1869, Frederick William also 1869, Evangeline R b.1872, Fanny Benedicta b.1874 and Rhoda S b.1877). Rhoda Jones died in 1877 in Goulburn and Benjamin remarried in 1878 to Sarah Ann Charles (also in Goulburn) children John Ebenezer Beer b.1879, Ethel Florence b.1880, Edith May b.1883, Elsie Mary Rose b.1885, Ruby A. E b.1887 and Ada Lucy Vivian Mercy b.1890. Benjamin Beer died 16 December 1916 in Manly, NSW.

Other children of John Beer senior and Susannah Deacon (Rachel b.1828, James b.1832, Ann b.1835 and Martha b.1837) appear to have stayed in Trowbridge. John Beer senior died in 1870 and Susannah died in 1868, both in Trowbridge.

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Australia / Re: Sarah Ann BEER - NSW (Braidwood 1874)
« on: Thursday 09 August 12 08:14 BST (UK)  »
There were two Sarah Jennings who died in 1957, one Sarah Dorothy Jennings and the one with parents Joseph and Sarah. The interment date for Sarah Jennings buried in the same place as Simeon Jennings was 14 November 1957, is this the same as death notice for this one?

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Australia / Re: Sarah Ann BEER - NSW (Braidwood 1874)
« on: Thursday 09 August 12 08:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I had a look on the online Rookwood cemetery records and it looks like she was buried with her husband in 1957, which means that her parents must have been Joseph and Sarah and she died in Parramatta :) Thanks for the ideas, I think I'll order the death certificate and see if that has anything more to go on :)

I can't find any records for births from a Joseph and Sarah Beer but there is a Thomas Beer with father Joseph and mother Sarah Beer who died in 1905 in Lismore who might be a relative.

Cheers
Liz

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Australia / Sarah Ann BEER - NSW (Braidwood 1874)
« on: Thursday 09 August 12 07:01 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I'm trying to find more information on Sarah Ann Beer who married Simeon Jennings in 1874 in Braidwood NSW. There don't appear to be any other Beers marrying in the area and no information on her parents for her marriage certificate.

The family moved around a fair bit once they were married, had one of their children in Echuca Victoria (Edward Simeon Jennings b. 1876) and others in Wagga Wagga and Albury (NSW). I understand there is a large Beer family in the Maldon area of Victoria, are there also Beers in Echuca? I haven't been able to find a birth record for Sarah Ann Beer in either NSW or Victoria that fits the time bracket.

There is a possible death date for her in 1942 in Hamilton NSW which lists her parents as John and Margaret, but I don't know of any family connections with the Hamilton area. Alternatives are:
- 1961 for Sarah Jennings parents Benjamin and Sarah in Rockdale,
- 1957 parents Joseph and Sarah in Parramatta, 
- 1929 Sarah Jennings parents William (83 years)  died in Blayney.
- 1938 parent Matthew and Mary Ann in Chatswood.

Her husband died in 1930 in Bankstown, so the Sydney deaths may be more likely.

One Sarah E Beer came as an assisted immigrant on the Parsee in 1859 with her family aged 1, but she would have to be 16 when she married (which is possible?!) (Father Thomas Beer aged 32, mother Sarah aged 35 and siblings Thomas age 8, Mary E 8). Thomas is listed as being a farm labourer from Somersetshire, his wife from Dorsetshire and children from Middlesex. Both parents are identified as being able to read and write and religion CoE.

 There is also a Sarah Beer arriving to South Australia as an assisted immigrant in 1862 on the St John Lawrence from Plymouth, a servant aged 19 (so would be 33 when she married) from Calne in Wiltshire travelling with her brother Henry Beer aged 21 listed as a carpenter, also from Calne. This might be a possibility, but I think this family may have moved to New Zealand.

Any information or leads anyone has would be greatly appreciated!
Regards
Liz W
Australia.

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Gloucestershire / Jennings family Minchinhampton GLS
« on: Thursday 09 August 12 05:16 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I'm interested in finding out more about the Jennings clan who came from Minchinhampton, GLS from 1700s onwards. I'm descended from William Jennings and Ann Page who married in Minchinhampton in 1820 and migrated to Australia in 1839 along with a number of their children. I think William Jennings' parents were John Jennings and Mary Barnfield (married December 1791 in Minchinhampton) but can't find a record of his baptism.

There is a William Jennings (father John) baptised in 1803 in Cirencester, I think this may be him but not sure. John and Mary Jennings had Lucretia Jennings christened 1974 and there are a few other children baptised in Cirencester with father John Jennings including:

-   Marianne Jennings born 1801 in Cirencester,
-   Hannah Jennings born 1808 Cirencester
-   Margaret Jennings born 1806 Cirencester.
-   Mary Jennings born 1809 Cirencester.

I understand that John Jennings was the son of Samuel Jennings and Hester Clift (married 1763 in Minchinhampton) and had a number of siblings who stayed in the Minchinhampton area including:

- Samuel Jennings (married Mary Horwood and had Joseph Jennings, George Jennings m.Elizabeth Wood, William Thomas Jennings, Anna Maria, Elizabeth (Rodborough), Maria and Sarah Jane (Rodborough),

Priscilla Jennings b. 1794 (married John Smith and had Elizabeth Smith b. 22 February 1829 Rodborough, Thomas Smith b. 1828, Mary Anne Smith b. 1826, Harriet Smith b. 1826, William Smith b. 1826 and Eliza Smith b. 1829),

Maria Jennings 1796 (married John Jennings 1828 Rodborough (a cousin?) children Alfred Thomas Jennings baptized at the Rodborough Tabernacle 5 July 1829. Father’s occupation listed as weaver.

Joseph Jennings christened 1769 Michinhampton – no record of marriage?

-Hester Jennings christened 1769 Michinhampton married James Clutterbuck 1781. Children – James Clutterbuck baptized 1791 died 1800 Minchinhampton, and Esther Clutterbuck baptized 1786 Minchinhampton.

Any further information on the Jennings and their descendants would be greatly appreciated!

Liz  W
Australia

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Kildare / William and Catherine Farrell, Clane Kildare early 1800s
« on: Thursday 09 August 12 04:48 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I'm a new poster trying to find any information on a William and Catherine Farrell from Clane, Kildare married 1810s to 1820s and died some time before 1841. They had at least two children, Mary Farrell born around 1825 and Michael Farrell born 1823 who migrated to Australia (New South Wales) on the 'Hope' in 1841 (arrived in Australia 29 January 1842) as assisted immigrants. Mary Farrell was described as a farm servant and able to read, Michael Farrell was an ag labourer and illiterate. They were both sponsored by a Mr John Miller, who appears to have paid the passage for quite a few Irish immigrants on the voyage.

I've found a William Farrell listed in 1839 as a landowner for Kilmurray, Clane and a marriage record for William Farrell to a Catherine in 1812 in Kildare, but not sure whether this is the right one or not. There doesn't seem to be any death record for either that fits (that I can find!).

Any information on either William and Catherine or their children would be greatly appreciated!
Liz W
Australia

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