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Travelling People / Re: 19th Century German gypsy!
« on: Thursday 14 January 16 00:50 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Tricia
Thanks for replying. Haven't done any researching for a while but when I restart I'll take a look at Henry and co on Ancestor, if I remember how to. By dark skinned I mean tanned.  We look very Italian or Romanian looking. If this didn't apply to Henry, it might mean the colouring has come from someone later marrying into my line.
Do you know anything more about The brothers German ancestor?
Regards
Mark

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Travelling People / Re: commercial traveller selling straw hats - is this my gypsy ancestor?
« on: Sunday 19 August 12 20:11 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for all the info so far. As you can see I've got another thread under way under 19th century German Gypsy. Thats in relation to my fathers grandfathers side. This thread relates to my fathers granmothers side.

Her surname was Ellis. Her father was Percy George Ellis born 1882 Hailsham, Sussex. He married Daisy Gorringe in Fulham 29/6/1902.

Percy's father was Henry Alfred Ellis born 1858 Rye Sussex married Kate Maxted 1882 Peckham Surrey.

Henry's father was Henry A Ellis aswell. he was born in Burwash around 1824. He married Sarah Hilder also of Burwash. and later Louisa Ollive of Salehurst Sussex.

I've obtained records from further back. I think it was all on the Church of the latter day saints site. 

I see that Ellis was a gypsy name but Percy and the Henrys seemed to have quite stable jobs ie Drapers.  I know nothing about the occupations of the Ellis' that preceeded the Henrys.  Edward D Ellis was the older Henrys father and he was born in Hawkhurst in kent  in 1789 and died in Waldren Sussex.  He had married Martha Burgess of sandhurst Kent. 

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Travelling People / Re: 19th Century German gypsy!
« on: Sunday 19 August 12 19:47 BST (UK)  »
Thanks everyone for your help so far. My German ancestors are as follows
Casper Lemmer b 1817 in Treis an der Lumda, Germany

Johannes Adam Lemmer( Caspers father) b 1785 Winnen, Germany
married Elizabeth Grolz

Sebastian Lemmer (Johannes' father)b 1759 Leidenhofen, Germany
married Anna Catherine Wilhelm (born Winnen 1755)

Johann Peter Wilhelm (Anna's Farther) b 1724 Winnen
married Anna Frantz of Winnen

I obtained most of this information from parish and Lutheran church records.

Casper was a musician who along with around 20 other musicians from Treis travelled over here each year during the late 1830's.

There is however another German link because Casper's son Carl Printz Lemmer (myGreat Grandad) married the daughter of Johann Adolph Hermann. In 1881 The Hermanns were living in St Pancras . Johann was a cabinet maker who had been born in Germany but most of his children were born in Belgium. He was born in 1845 and eventually served time for cruelty to his wife,  Someone on this forum kindly spotted this in an article in The Morning post on 18/4/1875. At the time he was living in Seaton Street (presumably London)I know nothing else about this family other than that my great grandmother was dark skinned!  Anyone know how accessible prison records are from this era?

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: BELGIUM/GERMANY: Look up request - Herman
« on: Thursday 09 August 12 19:42 BST (UK)  »
Wow that newspaper report is something - horrible bloke..Anothet of his daughters got married in 1904 - Mabel Elizabeth and at her marriage Adolph had died. Maybe when he was released he went back to Germany where he died. Id love to know where he andhis wife came from.

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: BELGIUM/GERMANY: Look up request - Herman
« on: Thursday 09 August 12 09:41 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for posting that Rosie

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: BELGIUM/GERMANY: Look up request - Herman
« on: Wednesday 08 August 12 23:50 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Rosie, Theyre under the name of Heermann in the 1881 census . Other occupants include Claira Louisa Marie Dolffine all daughters. living at 15Grafton place st Pancras.

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Casper Lemmer b 1817 from Germany
« on: Wednesday 08 August 12 11:28 BST (UK)  »
Any more info on my grt grt grt grandad would be great. Ive been told he came from Treise Germany on 22 4 1838 landing in Dover. He married charlot Butt in 1844 and then disappeared until 1880 when as a widower he married Alice Woolley in 1880. he stayed in England with his children till he died 12yrs later.

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / BELGIUM/GERMANY: Look up request - Herman
« on: Wednesday 08 August 12 11:12 BST (UK)  »
Trying to find where great great grand parents came from. oldest record i have is    Charles/john/Adolph Hermann b 1847 and his wife Marie Anne Molilue both German British subjects. Charles went by all 3names bu mainly Adolph.In 1881 they were living in St Pancras London but do not have any older info except that they were married at le grand plas in Brussels and several of their children were born in Belgium. Many thanks in advance.

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Travelling People / 19th Century German gypsy!
« on: Wednesday 08 August 12 10:17 BST (UK)  »
Does anyone know about German gypsies in the 19th century? I have an ancestor that regularly travelled from his home town in Tries Germany to Brighton with a group of musicians? Wondering if this could be my gypsy link.

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