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Tipperary / Re: Hayes of Carrigatoher Tipperary
« on: Tuesday 18 March 14 23:08 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Janet,
The Matthew Hayes/Ellen Berkery marriage is the family information supplied to me by the Research Centre, N enagh.  The list of their children shows two Matthews, one born 1837, the second baptised 12 Mar 1839 .   They have highlighted this one. I presume the first one died.   The second one is the Matthew who married Honora Carmody. All baptism entries show her as "Onny".   Actually, the marriage record names her as Judith Carmody.  I mentioned this to Nenagh when I first received it and they replied there is no record of a Judith Carmody so we both presumed that the priest made a mistake.These two are my great-grandparents.
Re the Carmodys.  I have information from Nenagh stating Denis Carmody married Mary Cleary.  Their three children were Honora, 1831; Mary 1836;Denis 1839.
I have found one Denis Carmody from Limerick.  I also found a Denis Carmody who migrated to the US.  Denis C/Mary Cleary were married 17 Feb 1822.  If Honora (1831) was their first child, there is a nine year gap between marriage and first born.  Could there have been babies lost in this period?
My grandfather left Ireland in  1889.  He married Ellen Keeffe from Galway whom he met on the ship coming out.  Their four sons were Matthew, Thomas, John and Patrick.
I hope you are able to get some satisfaction from all your research,.
Regards, Shirley

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Tipperary / Re: Hayes of Carrigatoher Tipperary
« on: Tuesday 11 March 14 12:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Janet,
Re "my" Matthew, born 1839, who married Honora Carmody, their second  daughter was named Ellen which makes me think she was named after her grandmother, Ellen Berkery. 
According to my late mother, Granddad told her there was a "step" in the family but who knows if that was true or not.  I mentioned this to Nenagh but they didn't come back with anything.  I think it is time to contact them again.
Regards,  Shirley

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Tipperary / Re: Hayes of Carrigatoher Tipperary
« on: Saturday 08 March 14 05:12 GMT (UK)  »
Jan007. Hello again.
The information I received from Nenagh is as follows: Matthew Hayes (Carrigatoher) married Ellen Berkery (Carrigatoher) 6/12/1822.   Cannot find record of marriage.  Nenagh advised this is as far as they can go.
Children:  Brigid, 1829 (sponsors McGrath/Kelly); Mary 1831 (Flynn/Commons); Michael 1834 ( McGrath/Ready); Matthew 1837 (Denis Hogan/mgt Commons); Matthew 1839 (John & Peggy Hogan)
All baptisms took place at Youghalarra. I am presuming that Matthew 1837 died hence next child named Matthew.  This is my ggrandfather. This is marked by Nenagh.
Matthew & Honora married at Youghalarra 16/2/1858.  Their children: Mary 1860 (Thomas Hayes/Peggy Hayes); Patt 1862 (Cleary/Carmody); Ellen 1863 (Honora Farrell); +Matthew 1867 (Lacy/McDonnell) Michael 1869 (Tom Hayes/Fogarty);Thomas 1871 (Tom Hayes/Lacey);Margaret 1874 (Hayes/Hayes); Hanora 1877 (Patt Hayes/Ellen Hayes)
+My grandfather.
Parents of Honora Carmody were Denis (Coomroe) and Mary Cleary (Barhaha).  Witnesses: Pat Carmody/WFD Hogan (?winifred)
Yesterday I searched for marriage records of Matthew H/Mary Hogan.  No luck but I did find baptism details of their son John who was baptised at Burgess, Jan 1840.  Sponsors were Rody Hogan and Onny Hayes.
Yes I have printed off Griffith's Valuation for Matthew Hayes.  It indicates the area shown to me on the map at Nenagh Library but was it my Matthew? Of course, my father was also named Matthew!!
Wish he was here to explain all to me.
Cheers, shibro

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Tipperary / Re: Hayes of Carrigatoher Tipperary
« on: Friday 07 March 14 03:17 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Jan007, I'm sorry my information was no help..
I also read the comments of the chap who visited with the PP of Carrigatoher and was surprised to read the information given to him.  It appears we share the same ancestors - Matthew Hayes/Honora Carmody.  The Research Centre at Nenagh gave me the names of Matthew's parents  as Matthew Hayes and Ellen Berkery, whereas the priest advised him Matthew's parents were John H  and Bridget Quigley if I remember correctly.I contacted the PP for clarification and did not receive a reply.
I recall "cousins" visiting our house who came from the Bendigo area.  I have found them on a tree in Ancestry and the father was named John Hayes but his parents were Matthew Hayes and Mary Hogan.I have yet to find out how they were connected to my grandfather. I have a copy of my grandfather's Marriage Certificate which states his parents as Matthew H and Honora Carmody.
Good luck      shibro

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Tipperary / Re: Hayes of Carrigatoher Tipperary
« on: Wednesday 05 March 14 05:34 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Jan007 Re your family connection, Australian Death Index shows:  Edward Hayes, son of John Hayes and Bridget Quigley, died at Fitzroy,. Melbourne. 1902.  Victorian registration no. 1590. Address Fitzroy could be St. Vincent's Hospital.
There is also a death recorded for Margaret Hayes, daughter of John & Bridget Hayes, 1907 at Kyabram, Victoria.  Reg. no. 8883.
Hope this is some help.
shibro

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Tipperary / Re: Hayes of Carrigatoher Tipperary
« on: Sunday 05 August 12 12:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi Bernie,
I have just read your messages re the Hayes family of Carrigatoher and have to advise you that Matthew Hayes and Honora Carmody are my great grandparents although my list of their children differs to those given  you by the priest. My records show Matthew as having been born 1839.  Another child named Matthew was born 1837, but must have died. The father, Matthew. died in Carrigatoher 1864. My grandfather was also Matthew, born 1867.   He arrived in Melbourne in 1889.
His sister, Mary, also came to Melbourne.    There were other relatives here  living in  the Bendigo area, where there were also gold diggings   I'm wondering if they could have been some of Gerry's family.   Also I  have Honora Carmody as having died in 1887 but may be this is another Honora.    Regards    Shibro

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