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Bedfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Shaw family of Shillington
« on: Thursday 26 February 15 17:29 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you so much for your hard work.

I am going to run this information by my Penn tree researcher - see what she makes of it

I've got some really good leads to follow and an excuse to visit then Bedfordshire Archives!

Karen

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Bedfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Shaw family of Shillington
« on: Wednesday 25 February 15 21:19 GMT (UK)  »
thanks John P.  Where did you get your info that Angelina was born in the workhouse? and which workhouse would it have been?  I am not surprised if she was illegitimate. I have the marriage to  John Castle in my tree - they were my g-g grandparents.

I know nothing at all about the Shaw family - it was finding a common ancestor( one of Mary's grandaughters) that put me in contact with somebody on another site. I did some digging and traced the Penn family back ( more out of curiosity because they arent in my direct line).

The Shaw connection with Shillington  has to be relevant but Margaret's age just doesn't fit with Angelina's birth in 1832.  As I have said, I wondered if she was Mary's daughter but could she be a grand daughter of Aaron Shaw?  I am checking that line of enquiry
If Angelina was born in the workhouse I am guessing there will be a bastardy order somewhere against Thomas Pate. I can find 2 who fit the bill – both born 1811. Would that be lodged in Herts or Beds archives?

You folks are so helpful : )

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Bedfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Shaw family of Shillington
« on: Tuesday 24 February 15 18:38 GMT (UK)  »
thanks for your comments and your help.
The 1791 date came from somebody who is also looking - I dont know where she found it.  Based on what you have all suggested so far, Mary and Margaret were born 1780s.  This would make Margaret about 51 when Angelina was born. I can't see that as likely. The best solution would be for her to be Mary's daughter but that doesnt fit what I know either . Its almost like a generation is missing. I still feel tho that your offer of Aaron and Sarah belongs. I m checking the  Flint name

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Bedfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Shaw family of Shillington
« on: Tuesday 24 February 15 13:50 GMT (UK)  »
Just had a lookat Aaron Shaw. That does seem the most likely link even if the dates dont match

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Bedfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Shaw family of Shillington
« on: Tuesday 24 February 15 13:40 GMT (UK)  »
I have to say that I rather thought illegitimate daughter - Margaret Penn would have been about 17 when  Angelina was born and there is a Thomas Pate of a similar age. That would make John and Mary her grandparents - pity the 1841 census didnt ask for relationships. Of course, they could have lied.

Thing is though, they married in 1812 and their daughter Margaret is born in 1815.i know people werent always honest about their lives. I suppose they could have lied but these events are supported by documentary evidence. How would they get round that?

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Bedfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Shaw family of Shillington
« on: Tuesday 24 February 15 12:53 GMT (UK)  »
thanks - it does look like that. However,  i wondered about the ages of the people concerned.  Given that Mary is 46 years older than angelina, what age would her mother have been? Yes, there could have been a big age gap between the sisters or Mary might have come to motherhood late in life , but it struck me as odd that she was an unmarried late mother. 

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Bedfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Shaw family of Shillington
« on: Tuesday 24 February 15 12:53 GMT (UK)  »
thanks - it does look like that. However,  i wondered about the ages of the people concerned.  Given that Mary is 46 years older than angelina, what age would her mother have been? Yes, there could have been a big age gap between the sisters or Mary might have come to motherhood late in life , but it struck me as odd that she was an unmarried late mother. 

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Bedfordshire Lookup Requests / Shaw family of Shillington
« on: Tuesday 24 February 15 09:26 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
Can anybody help me with information about my Shaw ancestors from Bedfordshire area?  I have Angelina born Shillington 1832 to Margaret Shaw ( I know nothing about Margaret and she disappears after the birth of Angelina). Angelina’s father may have been Thomas Pate from Baldock. It has been suggested that Margaret may be the sister of Mary Shaw born 1791, also born in Shillington. I haven’t been able to find any trace of her birth or marriage. Angelina is living with Mary ( Penn) in Baldock in 1841 so this suggests a family connection.  Thanks

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Hertfordshire / Re: HALS
« on: Wednesday 22 May 13 23:12 BST (UK)  »
RE taking a camera into the archive to make your own hard copies.

Is that allowed?

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