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I have happened upon a copy of a lease of 1505 between Sir Thomas Docwra, the prior of the Hospital of St John of Jerusalem in England, and Gyles, Lord Daubeney, Knight, concerning the manor of Hampton Court in the county of Middlesex.

The copy is in the RCP section of an unindexed plea roll from the Court of Common Pleas, found on the AALT website.

The information I can find online on Daubeney's lease of Hampton Court mentions only a date of 1494 or 1495.

As this lease of June 1505* may be of some interest historically, I have decided to post the information here, where it may in time reach receptive eyes.

The first of two images is at this location:

http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H7/CP40no973/aCP40no973fronts/IMG_1226.htm


*  The precise day is hidden by slight damage at the edge of the membrane, but is the tenth or later of the month.

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The letters at the end are ux with an indication of contraction (the upwards curving line).

The meaning is as you thought.

For the record, written at the beginning is:     Rec Pri: Babt

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I am doubtful about the surname being Dessdale. ... I think it could be a p in the middle rather ss.

I agree with this.

Every s in a mid-word position is a long-s.  The components of the double-s in decessit are both long, too.

Although the curved line immediately prior to the middle d could be an s in a later hand, it matches no s in this extract.

ADDED:

We have a proper long-s for this writer's heading script in Thomasina.  Nothing in the surname matches that s.

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I note that there is someone else's attempt in the FindMyPast registers showing as "Eralle" (Maybe from BTs?)

1658 Jul 8                           Geo Fird & Sus Eralle

I'm not sure if this is an FindMyPast user-submitted suggestion or something written more or less contemporaneously?  (I don't have FindMyPast.)

However, given that his surname is clearly Ford in the PR, I don't see a reason to take this seriously.

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Where I have seen this style of elaboration on a letter, the correct reading has been found in the right-hand half of the whole - which in this case is a T.

It would be clearer except the writer has included the extra line on the curve (which makes it look like part of a baseball).

The same is happening with the g in georg at the beginning of the entry.  The right-hand half is the letter; to the left is a curved flourish with an extra line for elaboration.

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The Common Room / Re: Query re names and titles on Paish Record
« on: Saturday 26 July 25 13:51 BST (UK)  »
The abbreviation Mr at this time usually stands for Master.  The title Master is often used for a member of the clergy.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Interpreting an Irish Tithe Record
« on: Friday 25 July 25 05:51 BST (UK)  »
For the record:

Vicarial Claim

Impropriate Claim


As Wexflyer has said, Impropriate as an adjective means:

Of ecclesiastical property: placed under the control or management of a layperson.

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To be honest I wasn't even initially convinced that the initial letter was a K, but you both didn't hesitate.

There's a will of one Anne Rowley on image 524 of the image set.  The Rs in her and her husband's surnames, and in Rosemarie (used in Rosemarie Lane about the middle) are all the same and distinctly different to the initial of your surname.

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I would say that Kewne is most likely.

Have a look at the final e in presence, just after her (copied) signature at the end of the will, and at the final e in what I think is Deere (with three types of e in five letters) in Deere and Loving husband in the last line of the first page.

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