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United States of America / Re: Thomas barwise
« on: Sunday 10 November 13 18:49 GMT (UK)  »
There are at least 2 distinct Barwise families who had ship's captains in Whitehaven about this time. Osmotherley Barwise had a son Thomas 1763-1823 ("of Lowsey"). In 1811 he was of Duke st, Whitehaven. He was captain of a ship "Cumberland", and had estates in Jamaica. He lived at High st Whitehaven when he died in 1823, and his wife Dorothy lived there till 1847.

His brother John (1772-1827) was also a master mariner. Two of his sons Thomas and John were separately master of the "Volunteer". Thomas died 1831 and John 1845.

My family were descended from David Barwis of Harrington, a mariner. 6 of his sons were mariners. Benjamin was a ship owner and master. I believe John in 1811 in Michael st, captain, was him. Thomas I mention in another post seemed to have 2 bigamous families in USA, and called himself a ships captain.

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United States of America / Re: Thomas barwise
« on: Sunday 10 November 13 17:58 GMT (UK)  »
The 1840 census shows: Skowhegan, aged 60-70, 3 sons 15-20, 1 10-15 1 under 5, 1 daughter 10-15 2 5-10, 1 under 5. So he would have been born about 1772. He also seemed to have a brother John who had a daughter Caroline Barwise who married in Penobscot Maine.

And the Carlisle journal shows that he was related to the "Late Captain Barwise", who I believe is my ancestor Benjamin Barwise. So this must indeed be the Thomas Barwise baptised in Harrington in 1768. He originally married Elizabeth Saul in Bromfield in 1793.

I also believe this Thomas Barwise turns up in New York and has 6 children with Mary Elsworth 1800-1815. Then he disappears and turns up in Maine and has around 9 children with Mary Roberts 1824-1842.

The death certificate of his daughter Philena Barwise (Turner) in 1917 records her father as being a ship captain.

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: 22 Brisbane Street, Liverpool - Miller
« on: Monday 23 July 12 19:56 BST (UK)  »
That's strange - as I understand it, George didn't die till 1940.

I think now you need to search the censuses and birth/marriages. Many of these sites you have to pay for. I'd try these two first:

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

and

http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk

BTW, the only other brother/sister I know of who didn't die young was Robert, who was killed by the bomb, and appears to have had no family. There's a possibility that George senior married again about 1902, and had a son Henry, but I'm not really sure.

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Devon / Re: Thomas PITTS born Torquay 1845
« on: Monday 23 July 12 11:55 BST (UK)  »
Yes, the legitimate son Thomas was definitely not my ancestor, I'd discovered that he was at Loughborough in 1891! I was just clutching at straws really, because the Rev Thomas Pitts had the strong association with Torquay, so maybe he might have had an illegitimate son, but unlikely.

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Devon / Re: Thomas PITTS born Torquay 1845
« on: Monday 23 July 12 09:17 BST (UK)  »
Just having some trouble trying to post my reply, this might be a duplicate message.

Yes, there's a couple from Tiverton I need to check (Stoodley is near Tiverton, which is about 25 miles from Torquay) - I don't have access to the censuses right now. I'm fairly sure I checked some from Tiverton years ago when I researched, and rejected them. The one from London seems the most promising. And I keep coming back to the priest, he was definitely Torquay.

One possible clue I have is that his eldest daughter was named Louisa Emily. The other children's names come from the mother's family, so I'm thinking Thomas's mother was maybe Louisa.

Yes they married in Bristol 1868, and Louisa was born in Bristol in 1869. By 1871 they were in Bootle.

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Devon / Re: Thomas PITTS born Torquay 1845
« on: Monday 23 July 12 09:06 BST (UK)  »
Yes, there's a couple from Tiverton I need to check (Stoodley is near Tiverton, which is about 25 miles from Torquay) - I don't have access to the censuses right now. I'm fairly sure I checked some from Tiverton years ago when I researched, and rejected them. The one from London seems the most promising. And I keep coming back to the priest, he was definitely Torquay.

One possible clue I have is that his eldest daughter was named Louisa Emily. The other children's names come from the mother's family, so I'm thinking Thomas's mother was maybe Louisa.

Yes they married in Bristol 1868, and Louisa was born in Bristol in 1869. By 1871 they were in Bootle.

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Devon / Re: Thomas PITTS born Torquay 1845
« on: Sunday 22 July 12 22:49 BST (UK)  »
No, I can't find them till the 1901 census (and 1911). There were 2 daughters Louisa and Amelia (my g grandmother) and one son John who should be on the census. Louisa married in 1887 and Amelia late 1891.

I think I investigated that Newton Abbot one too.

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: 22 Brisbane Street, Liverpool - Miller
« on: Sunday 22 July 12 15:37 BST (UK)  »
The George who died in 1940 in Bianca street was the father of Robert who also died in Bianca st, the father of George and Albert who went to Canada, and the father of your husband's grandmother Margaret. So he would have been about 82 (and maybe he died of old age just before the bomb - I'm not sure). George's wife Margaret (Kelly) died in Q1 1891, so in the 1891 census George senior is shown as a lodger with his brother William.

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Devon / Re: Thomas PITTS born Torquay 1845
« on: Sunday 22 July 12 12:18 BST (UK)  »
Both Thomas's were labourers on the wedding certificate.

I think I've seen that Thomas from London, I did check a few from there, but I'll check him out again. It's the Torquay connection that keeps throwing me - I wouldn't expect many Thomas Pitts in Torquay.

Anyway, thanks for your help.

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