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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Jones/Grice/Beech/Swatman
« on: Tuesday 11 September 12 12:26 BST (UK)  »
Can anyone find other descendants of Alfred Jones ?

I have from the old family search 1881 census;

Alfred W Jones, age 29 b. 1852 W/Hampton, Tap & Die maker
Sarah A Jones, age 28 b.1853 W/hampton wife
Margret, daughter age 9 b. 1872, W/hampton, scholar
Maria, daughter, age 8 b. 1873 .....ditto
Thomas, son, age 6 b. 1875 ....ditto
Arthur, son, age 3, b. 1878 ....ditto

Dwelling; 26 Cobden Street Wolverhampton

I believe from earlier information that Arthur and/or Maria may have deceased by 1911 Census, but I need this confirmed. Wife Sarah seems to be now favoring her second name of Annie. Also any other children of Thomas Jones, please ?

I feel that the search for Grice/Beech /Swatman has concluded, albeit death dates for Elizabeth Grice and Mary Ann Beech or Beach.

cheers, David

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Jones/Grice/Beech/Swatman
« on: Sunday 09 September 12 11:18 BST (UK)  »
Hello all,

If George Grice is still in Wolverhampton in 1911 is there any trace of wife Elizabeth as well, or is a death recorded anywhere? Ditto sister Mary Ann Beech or Beach, (Jones) ?

cheers, David

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Jones/Grice/Beech/Swatman
« on: Saturday 08 September 12 12:19 BST (UK)  »
Ah, ...thank you Carole, ...and William.
Yes, William provided me with the 1847 marriage, ... as I stated, I wasn't sure if I was posting in the right place, but I do hope I'm not stepping on toes either, and mucking up the system.

I did request this info some time ago, hit the usual brickwalls, and after some amount of frustration had a meltdown, ...so I quit for a time. Changed internet provider, ...couldn't log back in, gave up again, ...then had a fresh crack at it recently. But I am making progress, I am happy to say. The thing is I just wish my name was anything other than Jones, ha ha. But no, I am so proud of my name.

Thanks to another Rootschat member I now have a photograph of my g-grandfathers grave at Port Chalmers, Dunedin NZ, and I will make it my duty to go there and place a plaque to his memory, because I feel he died alone without family and was buried a pauper. Don't know the circumstances, ...but I'm working on it. Something will turn up. This is why I have a need to find Jones descendants in the UK, ...because these people are also relatives, ...I'm just not sure how to go about it. It is so, so sad how families just drift apart with the passage of time.

Cheers from Australia,
David J

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Jones/Grice/Beech/Swatman
« on: Friday 07 September 12 09:49 BST (UK)  »
Oh sorry Carole, ..silly me

Robert Jones born c.1820 at Holywell Flint.
Emma williams b. 1826 Welshpool Montgomeryshire.

Robert's marriage being at St. Nicholas Liverpool, 4 July 1847. The family's address at Blakenhall was 26 Cobden Street, from 1850 approx, then by 1881 had moved to 44 Cross Street. Thomas, son of Alfred living at 26 Cobden Street by 1881 Census, and Elizabeth (Grice) living at 62 Franchise Street Blakenhall.

Robert and Emma migrated to Australia in October 1885, following their youngest son Thomas and his wife Phoebe and children Emma, Frederick and Ellen who emmigrated a year earlier in 1884.

Not sure about Robert's exact birth date, ..possibly 1822. Father Edward, miner and mother Margaret (according to 1897 death cert.)

Regards, David J

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Family History Beginners Board / Jones/Grice/Beech/Swatman
« on: Thursday 06 September 12 11:58 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,

I'm not sure if I am posting this request in the right place but,

I am searching for descendants of Robert Jones, bricklayer of Cross Street Blakenall. 1850 - 1885, and his wife Emma Williams both natives of North Wales;


Daughter Elizabeth Jones b. 1848 at Stafford m. Richard Owen 1867 (dec) then George Grice 1872, both at Wolverhampton. Daughter Emily Owen b. 1868. Then; Alfred (Grice) b.1872, George b. 1882 Robert b. 1885, then Florence b.1889 Address; 17 Hawthorn Road Wolverhampton, 1901 Census.

Daughter Mary Ann Jones, b. Walsall 1850, m. Joseph Beech b. 1846. Their
children Emma b.1876, Robert b. 1879, Charles b. 1880.
Address 1881 Census; 9 Dalton Street Chorlton on Medlock, Lancashire

Son Alfred Jones, b. 1853 at Wolverhampton. married Sarah Anne 1872, their son Thomas b.1876 married Ellen 1909, their daughter Katherine Mabel b.1909 married Samuel J Swatman 1938 at Bilston, Address 1911 Census; 74 Oxford Street Bilston

My apologies for this being such a mouthful but I am trying to trace English relatives whom I have never known, especially descendants of Katherine Mabel Swatman (Jones).

Alfred Jones' son Thomas would have been aged 38 at the outbreak of WW1, I have no information  if he survived the war or not and another son Arthur b. 1878 I believe was deceased by 1911 Census

Thanks, David

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Australia / Re: Jones at Kew, Vic.
« on: Friday 27 July 12 00:22 BST (UK)  »
Yes, so Ivan Costello must have remarried.

Charles and Phoena marriage 1942 ? Yes. ...I knew that too. (was a little bit sleepy !)
AND, ...that is another story !!

I have nothing to link MacRob with Isabella, other than a book that has been in our family since the year dot; 'A Young Man and a Nail Can', ...a pictorial hardbound lavishly illustrated book produced by MacRobertson in the '20s, and also a pictorial booklet covering the MacRobertson sponsored air race of 1934.

As I have found more about my father's business success in the '20s I have admittedly assumed there was some connection.

At Tower St (now Tower Place), there was an upstairs ball room, a private carpark and a croquet lawn. MacRobertson also played croquet. He had a preferance for Packard cars, ..My dad had a '26 or '28 Packard limousine, as well as a model A ford Town car. Charles Jones was well into musical evenings, choral groups etc, was a freemason, (a founding master of the now defunct Lodge of Aspiration), played golf tournaments all over Vic and NSW, (despite having contracted poliomyelitis at age 5), and was generally a man about town. They both had long connections with Kew, MacRob is buried in Kew cemetry. There are a few Jones' there also.
I think all this success  is what tipped Isabella off the edge. I have found that her father James was also living at 12 Tower St untill his death.

So, ...other than that, the only link I can think up is that Charles Jones, (whose trading name was C L Jones P/L), could have been as MacRobertson's tailor. (white suits).
Must have been working from the Brunswick address at that time.
I have found a notice in the Argus 17 July 1918, ...'ANA Competitions, ... Baritone or Bass solo, C L Jones, Brunswick'.
The only reference to C L Jones' CBD business came later in the Argus from 1930, to 1937, there are a few advertisements from; 118 Flinder's Lane, Manchester Unity Building, Anterim House, Majorca House and 232 Flinder's Lane.

This first ad in particular is rather moving;

Charles owned a Gloria Triumph from 1934 to 1951, don't know why he wanted to sell it.

Ps, Mum turned 100 in Feb !!


Regards,
David

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Australia / Re: Jones at Kew, Vic.
« on: Thursday 26 July 12 11:38 BST (UK)  »
Gosh, ...So many familiar names and addresses from the past, that I had long forgotten, and so many blanks filling in. Thank you so much, Cando

Isabella, nee Robertson, eventually was admitted to Mont Park Mental Hospital, apparently unable to cope with my father Charles' later business and social success. She stayed there for some 50 odd years, my father marrying my mother Phoena in 1939. Nothing was ever spoken of Isabella, ...It was assumed that she had died. In 1984 I was astounded to find out from my half sister that she had in fact died earlier that year.
I have long had a suspicion that Isabella was in some way related to MacPherson Robertson of MacRobertson Chocolate fame.

Emma Gertrude Earl (Jones)  and Ellen Maud Costello (Jones) both married on the same day, 5th April 1913

Edwin Earl became a proof reader with the Melbourne Age.
Ellen and Ivan Costello divorced in September 1926.
Would Myrtle Florence Costello be Ivan's sister ?

From around 1943 to 1949 Charles and Phoena lived at Horsham, Vic, and ran a clothing manufacturing business in Firebrace Street, returning to Balwyn in 1950.

The 1934 Advertisement 'Charles L Jones etc' could most likely refer to debts incurred by his son in law Harold Lockett, although he and Edna Jones did not marry until 1935. I have vague memories of talk about bad business deals and loans during those years.

Would Hartley, Costello and Jones have been a tailoring business connected with Charles Jones ? I have a suspicion my father had a business in Brunswick at some stage.

Could you see from what years Charles and Isabella lived at 12 Tower Street East Hawthorn ? During this time he had a clothing manufacturing business in Flinders Lane, with over 100 machinists and staff.

Thanks again,
David



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Australia / Re: Jones at Kew, Vic.
« on: Thursday 26 July 12 05:26 BST (UK)  »
I did some sluething a couple of years back, ...starting with death info in Digger,
but I don't have the actual certificate yet.

This was sent to me by Mildura Genealogical Society;
According to a report in the Sunrasia Daily of 14th March 1933, Fred died of pleurisy and pneumonia, and is buried at Mildura.

Thank you for those electoral roll addresses, according to Digger, Ethel died at Marysville 1967 ?

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Australia / Re: Jones at Kew, Vic.
« on: Thursday 26 July 12 01:48 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Cando

Fred was a gunner in 50 Battery, 13th Field Artillery at the battle of Fromelles, 19-20 July 1916, ..having suffered real and imagined injuries during that and subsequent conflicts I would surmise that post war day to day living would have been difficult at best., although I have no info post war re his injuries, other than being gassed in 1917.
So, .. his death at age 50 (September Quarter 1883, somehow his age is wrong on his memorial stone in Avoca cemetry) was most likely caused by war injuries. There is an inherited family blood disorder which may have been a cause.

I had only scanty info about Mildura, although I have  a suspicion Frederick and Ethel, and his niece Edna may have been involved in a clothing shop there.


I guess the family would have advertised in other papers of the time in that locality, not just the Box Hill Reporter. I would think that local papers specific to the Kew area of that period would have survived somewhere. The family lived all their lives here.

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