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Occupation Interests / Re: List of Apprentices ( pottery)1780-1805 Lambeth
« on: Saturday 21 July 12 20:43 BST (UK)  »
I specialise in Staffordshire pottery and know very little about the London industry

Interesting that he was a stoneware potter.  Lambeth had a number of potteries concentrating on delftware and then salt-glazed stoneware.  By 1800 the latter may have been making utilitarian vessels for kitchen use - they made bottles for boot blacking, (I think Charles Dickens worked in a boot blacking factory)  bottles for ink and for for beverages, jars for storing food and also some more fancy liquor bottles etc. for a brief introduction see the Museum of London website at
http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/ceramics/pages/subcategory.asp?subcat_id=717&subcat_name=London

There is also the Vauxhall  Civic Society which also cover Lambeth pottery - see http://www.vauxhallcivicsociety.org.uk/history/lambeth-pottery/

I do not believe there are any factory records left - even of the better known potteries.

Bristol also a large center of pottery making - there is a good website at  http://www.kalendar.demon.co.uk/
but I didn't see a search function.  Reg & Philomena Jackson compiled a book of original sources material about Bristol potters but it ends at 1800 - last I  heard they were associated with a group called the Society for Clay Pipe Research which was based in Bristol - see  http://scpr.co/index.html

Sorry there is no direct help here but hope the references lead somewhere useful



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Occupation Interests / Re: EWM
« on: Thursday 19 July 12 23:07 BST (UK)  »
Stockton had a number of pottery factories and the original post said they worked in a pottery so perhaps  the sale of tartans and sweaters was not their main job!

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Occupation Interests / Re: Pottery occupations
« on: Thursday 19 July 12 22:50 BST (UK)  »
A good source for pottery occupations is the great site http://potbankdictionary.blogspot.co.uk/ Terry & Pam Woolliscroft have a vast deal of knowledge and enthusiasm for the subject of pottery

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Occupation Interests / Re: EWM
« on: Thursday 19 July 12 22:45 BST (UK)  »
I think it means Earthen Ware Manufactory.  North Staffordshire censuses often make distinctions between earthenware and china manufactories in employment columns.

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Occupation Interests / Re: List of Apprentices ( pottery)1780-1805 Lambeth
« on: Thursday 19 July 12 22:30 BST (UK)  »
There is a UK, Register of Duties Paid for Apprentices' Indentures, 1710-1811 which is on ancestry.com (or.co.uk) I checked the standard search for John Cole but did not find anyone of that name who was apprenticed to a potter.  Although the search function is limited by spelling differences etc.  I think it unlikely that your ancestor will show up as a formal apprentice - I specialize in the Staffordshire pottery industry and my search for apprentice's shows exceedingly few - not only did the apprentice have reduced wages during the leaning process and have to pay a fee for the privilege, the master had to pay tax on the fee (hence the register) so mostly pottery apprenticeships were informal. Those that invested in a formal apprenticeship mostly came from outside the area and were intending to learn enough to own their own business - which it sounds like your John Cole did - but just at the time that delftware (made at Lambeth and Bristol) was low status going out of style.

Hope this helps.

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Staffordshire / Re: Turner/Emery
« on: Thursday 19 July 12 21:48 BST (UK)  »
I am interested in the Turner family as they relate to Thomas Whieldon, perhaps the most eminent Staffordshire Potter of the mid 18th century.  I agree that there is no way John Turner was born at Brewood. I would like to suggest he may be related to a London family.

Sarah Turner was Thomas Whieldon's 3rd wife and they married in 1776.  The marriage bond in Lichfield archives gives lots of good information. Thomas Whieldon's dates are 1719-1795 Sarah's dates are 1749- 1828.  I think it too great a co-incidence that John Turner the potter was noted in the marriage agreement and the oldest son was called John Turner Whieldon - for there not to be a family connection - but I am still struggling to find it.

Sarah Turner lived with her father, John Turner of Cumberland Street in the parish of St. Mary le Bone Co Middlesex.  The marriage at Stoke-upon-Trent was by marriage license.  Thomas stood as his own bondsman and was not referred to as a potter but as Thomas Whieldon Esq.  (note John Turner the potter was associated with a pottery sales business in London - was this inherited from his father?)

Thomas and Sarah Whieldon had 6 children and by their marriage agreement the real estate was to be entailed upon the eldest son of the marriage and an additional ₤5,000 was to be settled amongst any other children.  This secured the Turner family money about ₤10,000 brought into the marriage by Sarah.  One of the signatories to the marriage settlement was James Christie of Pall Mall, parish of St. James Westminster, Auctioneer; and one of the executors nominated in the subsequent will was John Turner, potter of Lane End Staffordshire.

Their first son was John Turner Whieldon - I think he was disabled/disadvantaged in some way as a younger brother - George always acted for him - he was a lawyer in London. 

I have a little more if anyone is interested.


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