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Westmeath / Re: Placename help
« on: Thursday 11 April 13 16:59 BST (UK)  »
That's good :) Dargle though is an unusual name, I see checking that originally it's thought to have been a glen or valley near Bray in Wicklow, which name transferred to the river and perhaps to derive from the Irish word 'dearg'. Thought in this case to relate to reddish coloured rock.

So maybe your g grandfather was a red head or maybe it wasn't Dargle but Gargle, if he was fond of a drop  ;)

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Westmeath / Re: Placename help
« on: Thursday 11 April 13 16:01 BST (UK)  »
When you look at placenames in Ireland, you've got to get used to looking through them and seeing variations in spelling. Computers hate it but your average local postman can readily figure out where letters should go. It's part of the culture here and a pity to lose it, which is why I wouldn't be in favour of postcodes at all.
I work with placenames a bit and it's striking how many local townland names there are, that never made the official lists but are still recognised locally. They'd usually only be known to the people of those districts and the local postie.

Dargle Wood? First Dargle that comes to mind is the river rising above Powerscourt and entering sea at Bray, Co.Wicklow? Where is your general area of search?

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Westmeath / Re: Placename help
« on: Thursday 11 April 13 10:18 BST (UK)  »
Lough na Saggart helps - here's a Google map link

The small lake surrounded by scrub - Priest's Lake would be the meaning. Maybe mass was said near here in Penal times - just a guess. This is on the border of Meath & Westmeath and near Collinstown/ Fore etc. There was a corn mill on the river flowing from this, below Brogan's Bridge, though as gradient is not great, can't have been much a flow. You can see it on the www.osi.ie mapviewer - look at the 25inch or 6inch historic mapping. It appears to be gone now though you might find ruins of the building or remains of the mill race if you looked on the ground.

Whilst one couldn't be certain, it's pretty likely this was the Strillstown Mill referred to as the catchment area of this drainage is small enough. It seems to be in the townland of Glenidan bordering Brownstown. My guess is that Strillstown is/ was a local townland names - a part of Glenidan. It's quite common to find these 'sub townland' names in Ireland and they are often still known locally if you find people who have grown up in that district. Indeed, they are often still considered townlands but not recognised or known officially - the OS often ignored smaller divisions back in the 1840s when townlands were formalised. If I were you, I'd go there and ask about Strillstown and people who lived there. You could well be pleasantly surprised.

  Map 2

The site of the mill - might be something in the trees here, ruin of kiln maybe

Moderator Note : Links 'shrunk'

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Wexford / Re: Miller family in Wexford
« on: Monday 05 November 12 20:38 GMT (UK)  »
I've been looking more closely at the Rynhart records around Enniscorthy and district recently and whilst I can't be certain I think that this Sarah Rynhart was born in 1823 to John Rynhart & Mary Daly who marry 1803 in St.Mary's Enniscorthy and farm at nearby Clonhasten, Enniscorthy. So, if the case, she was likely a later child of this couple.

According to parish records, they're both 'of this parish' at time of marriage and there is another Daly record in same time period, a Jane born to James and Mary Daly in 1804.

As regards this John Rynhart, I think he was born in 1782 to John Rinehart & Anne Shaw at Ballymore, Ferns. I have reason to think this family moved to Enniscorthy area in 1790s and this John Snr is the man recorded in 1798 at Clonhasten.

There's a certain amount of 'educated guesswork' in this, but it seems the most likely at present. I've added in Sarah & Jacob into my provisional family tree on Ancestry for the Wexford Rynharts. I think they had a child Elisabeth in NSW who married a Charles Doring but if anyone can fill me after that, I'd be grateful to add in rest of line. If you contact me by message, I'll send my email. thx Barry D.

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Wexford / Re: Miller family in Wexford
« on: Monday 24 September 12 10:04 BST (UK)  »
I don't know - I guess it hinges on whether it's the same Jacob Miller. I know it was common back in the 1800s for people to be a little uncertain of their ages, particularly as they got older. Your Jacob Miller does indicate age 24 when emigrating in 1842. I see that Sarah has age 20 written on form, then crossed off and 19 inserted. You'd think that Jacob might know if he was 24 or 28 but maybe not? Or perhaps there was good reason to underestimate a little?

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Wexford / Re: George Pepper, c1783
« on: Monday 24 September 12 09:53 BST (UK)  »
Great, that sounds like same man - here's the rest of the reply:

'I hope this is some help, there were about 10 family's of Pipers/Pepper in Clone at this time all with same names - George, Thomas, Edward, John. So hard tell who was who, but I thought this George was son of John and Elizabeth Piper nee Piper (as he was under 10 in 1776 survey) All family's came from Edward and Lidia Piper so George would be Edward and Lidias grand son
There is also a George born 1788 to Thomas and Elizabeth Piper nee smith also grand son of Edward and Lidia
Edward died at Clone Jan 5th 1785 and Lidia 1780'

I'll send you a private message with email contact, so you can pursue further  :)

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Wexford / Re: George Pepper, c1783
« on: Friday 21 September 12 17:39 BST (UK)  »
Here's an outline of reply re George Pepper, Clone, Wexford:

"I do have a record for this George I think ! from parish reg in R.C.B Clone/Ferns
1818 29th March Thomas born to George and Mary Piper nee James
1825 Feb 13th or 23rd Edward Piper Son of George and Mary Piper Nee James
The name was Piper in reg 1776 to 1815 then some of the family's became Pepper  but some held on to Piper for longer by 1830 they were all Pepper and Griffith valuations has it Peppard 1850s"

There's more info - but does this make any sense to you? Would Edward Piper born Feb 1825 fit any of your records of George's family?

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Wexford / Re: George Pepper, c1783
« on: Friday 21 September 12 09:49 BST (UK)  »
I'll follow that up but suggest you also get the death cert., if it exists. Maybe it varied across Australia but ones I've seen for Queensland have a lot of info potentially, depending on whether it was all collected  :-\

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Wexford / Re: George Pepper, c1783
« on: Thursday 20 September 12 21:09 BST (UK)  »
I know a little about Peppers in Wexford and would have a contact who has investigated them quite extensively. Have you any more info., than above? I'm curious about the death cert as I've seen 1860s Australian death records and they seem to have quite a lot of info. on them - much more than Irish death certs., at any rate? Have you a copy of his death cert? If you clarify this, I'll pass on and see what comes up.

I do know of another Pepper who went to Australia - Fanny (Frances) Pepper who married Edward Rynehart in 1852 at Clone Wexford. Fanny was born abt 1831 to Edward Pepper. They subsequently emigrated to New South Wales I think and had family there.

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