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Cork / Re: Fitzgerald's of The Abbey Skibbereen / Lisbealad Dunmanway Cork
« on: Sunday 16 June 24 06:38 BST (UK)  »

Does this seem like the same family tree as your great grandfather, Richard Fitzgerald.
Born - 4 Dec 1807 Cork, St Finbarr's (South), Cork city, Ireland
Died :Dec 1903 Lisbealad, Co.Cork, Ireland


Richard Fitzgerald died 17 November 1903. His son Matthew Fitzgerald was the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05642/4587823.pdf

After many years of research & coming back to this story, the particular details listed above, is what I believe is a very distant Uncle to myself.
The Richard listed as above, had a younger Brother - Thomas, who baptised in 1810, in the same church (South Parish) with the same Parents as Richard (William Fitzgerald & Catherine Godson).
Thomas was married in 1837 to an Elizabeth Ambrose "somewhere" in Cork (listed as Cork & Ross), it's listed only only as an index of marriage bonds. Thomas & Elizabeth came to Australia in 1840/1841 & settled as free immigrants in Sydney.
I got trapped in a very large brickwall, where I have details of these people, but I believe the previous researchers in my family, may have been clutching at straws / presumptive guesses at the parentage of William Fitzgerald - we have a Maurice Fitzgerald & Anne Fitton listed. But DNA suggests something much different.
We don't know what happened to Thomas's brother - Richard, but if the details you have provided above are 100% correct, it directly points to the actual elder brother of our Thomas.
The only device I have to go on, is DNA. But I need to know who has done their DNA & places where Richard's family lived/stayed around for a few decades or the families they involved themselves with.
Using multiple Australian DNA relative matches, I have found that the immigrants Thomas Fitzgerald / Elizabeth Ambrose, are connected 100% undeniable-hard core-community linked to Durrus/Schull/Bantry district. It links to the names & other directly connected families of - Swanton/Camier/Kingston/Copithorne & possibly a Gosnell/s name. I suspect the Ambrose name maybe of this area, as indicated by a 1960's document from Dublin Castle (Genealogical Office).
There could be a historical name change of an earlier Gosnell to a later Godsell/Godson, which fits with my story. Previous researchers have listed our Godson name goes back to a Limerick Godsell family, but again, DNA does not highlight a connection to the Limerick area.
But the case in point, is that I am trying to understand, if the Richard Fitzgerald listed above is confirmed or only a suggestive relative to you guys.
As I am trying to understand if my Thomas may have had a reason to leave Cork City & marry in the West. Thomas may have travelled with Richard??
Thomas was baptised as RC, but left Ireland for Australia in 1841 as a Protestant, we remained that way till around late 1910's (the marriage of my Great Grandparents), where the Protestant Fitzgerald name was transitioned back to RC.

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Cork / Re: Some Fitzgerald's of Cork City (St.Finbarr's)
« on: Monday 04 August 14 10:56 BST (UK)  »
After some research and a Autosomal / Y-DNA (67 Marker) test, it seems I am off a Male MacCarthy / Female Fitzgerald lineage - and somehow it remarried back into the Fitzgerald line.
It is pointing to be having origins in either West Cork or even Co. Kerry. Y-DNA is showing a lot of Kerry/West Cork and Autosomal is showing more of an earlier time?
I have these families names that link mine : MacCarthy, Collins, O'Driscoll, O'Shea, Mahoney, O'Sullivan.
Some other families, also marry up on the Autosomal DNA to either a Desmond or maybe a Kildare link to Fitzgerald in around the MacCarthy Reagh era. (Plunkett's, Brown's, O'Sullivan's, O'Neil's etc)
I have some Fitzgibbon involvement but that stops at the 37 marker level. Fitzgerald is very low on the Y-DNA.
Would like to hear, if anyone links to these families.

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Wexford / Re: GLASCOTT FAMILY
« on: Sunday 27 April 14 12:52 BST (UK)  »
I know this is many years ago, but I have what I think is a connection.
This is aimed at the Hasler connection.

I am a descendant of a William B Hasler, son of Captain John Hasler, grandson of Sir John Hasler. Chamberlain to the Lord Lieutenant during the Townshend / Duke of Rutland days.

William had a connection with a Scott family. His wife was Hannah Scott. I am unaware if this Scott name was a shortened version of Glascott??
It was noted that William Hasler was of Co Wexford - "Whitehill". As he was some sort of civil servant, some form of Government worker.
What I found out, was that a Hasler man married a Scott woman, A Scott man married a Hasler woman. Bit of a tit for tat marriages within 2 families.

There is also a major connection to this family heading to Galway City and living there for many years until William's death in 1859. He was born in 1802.
I cannot place the family (William and Hannah) physically in Wexford, but there is documentation showing that they were placed there. I think some form of land was there and they must of been bound in documentation, to that land.

William had a few brothers and sisters. One was named Henry and he went to Canada. He lived in Flinton Ontario, as a few generations of Hasler's still live there.

William's Sister - Lucinda - married a John Samuels. A Brother - Dr Frederick Hasler married a Margaret Cody.
Hope that helps.

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Cork / Re: Fitzgerald's of The Abbey Skibbereen / Lisbealad Dunmanway Cork
« on: Tuesday 18 March 14 01:39 GMT (UK)  »

I'm still watching this with great interest. I am currently talking with a person, who matches up with my DNA on 2 kits. Both kits relate to a possible strong family connection to Skibbereen. We have confirmed a 3rd cousin link to somewhat of a degree but with some minor sketchy details. There were also sprinkles of the family (not sure who), who were based in Kinsale, Dunmanway areas.
I have been DNA matched up with the Collins family as well. This is yet to be investigated.
Now what is intriguing, is that my 4th GGF, has a middle name of Fitzpatrick (noted on Death Certificate). I am still yet to identify why that's there.

Modified

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Cork / Re: Fitzgerald's of The Abbey Skibbereen / Lisbealad Dunmanway Cork
« on: Tuesday 04 March 14 10:57 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Spanrz,
We appear to be from 2 different Fitzgerald Clans.

Yes my great grandfather was Richard Fitzgerald, born in Skibbereen in 1807.
His parents were Morty Mor Fitzgerald and Catherine Donovan.
We believe that Morty and Catherine went to Skibbereen from Mallow.

Richard married twice...his first wife was Anne Mahony from the Schull Co Cork area and that wedding took place 15th February 1846.
Following the death of his wife in 1859 Richard married Mary Grace in 1861.

Wishing you the best of luck with your research. If I come across any information that may be of use to you I will get back to you. "Godson" is an unusual surname and who knows I may come across something of interest at a later stage.
Best wishes
Anna

No worries. I am treading very carefully in hoping to find the exact clan of Fitzgerald's that link me.
I'm learning of what the families did, where they were at certain times, to help me place my link.

The reason for the post, was that I have just done some FTDNA and uploaded it to GEDmatch just recently.
Upon the upload, I have been linked to somewhat of a connection to an O'Driscoll family, that are somewhat related to these Fitzgerald's in Skibbereen. Now it's some sort of 3rd-4th cousin type of thing.
Your post about Mallow, is really interesting.
It is not proven from my side (as I have no factual evidence), but off other people I have recently connected with, that the Godson family, were known as Godsell. This family were from Mallow / Rathcormac area.
I have had to use the FTDNA (or the science part) to assist in which clan we belong. As I know how difficult it is, in finding the right one. And more to the point, how easy you can get it wrong.

I have extensive knowledge of my maternal side, which also relates to Cork and Ireland in the most extraordinary way. It is helping me map out what happened to my link. The problem is, not many records survive of this link.

If anyone has done a DNA test and uploaded to Gedmatch, I'd love to know/confirm/deny any connections. I haven't done any Y-DNA yet, but I have done full sequence mtDNA (won't be avail until 2-3 weeks)
My Gedmatch kit is : F322991
Thanks.

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Cork / Re: Fitzgerald's of The Abbey Skibbereen / Lisbealad Dunmanway Cork
« on: Sunday 02 March 14 13:16 GMT (UK)  »
I have undertaken some FTDNA tests recently and I had a hit on 2 x "Driscoll" surname (kits) who were of this area Skibbereen / Dunmanway.
The link was to being of a Fitzgerald and we were about 3rd-4th cousins.

However I have a Richard Fitzgerald, who was born on 4th Dec 1807 in Market Lane Cork City. He was a brother to my 4th GGF Thomas, born Dunbar St Cork City 1810.
Their parents were William Fitzgerald and Catherine Godson. It is believed that William and Catherine left Ireland for England around the 1830's?.

I don't know what happened to Richard, but his brother Thomas left Cork (and Ireland) in 1839/1840 and headed for Sydney Australia.
Thomas crossed over from being Catholic to Protestant.

Is there any ties with you guys, with Richard migrating from Cork City to the Skibbereen area?

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Cork / Re: Some Fitzgerald's of Cork City (St.Finbarr's)
« on: Sunday 02 March 14 12:57 GMT (UK)  »
I've just done a FTDNA test and found some 3rd-4th cousins Fitzgerald links to Skibereen.
Still nothing definite, but it's a start.

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Cork / Re: Godson/Hartnett
« on: Monday 27 January 14 11:47 GMT (UK)  »
I believe now, more than likely, I have established this line. Your Richard was I think a Nephew to my Catherine. There is a Thomas Godson who was born 1788 (Rathcormac) and died in 1866.
Catherine was an elder sister to Thomas, by 7 years (if I have it right??)
But I have no information (yet) to marriages nor children, from other siblings of Catherine.
I have had to go on good educated guesses, that most of the Godson / Fitzgerald's were around Mallow / Rathcormac districts. For some reason, they moved closer to Cork City.

If you find a trail of movement and they were of Catholic denomination, they may have lost their lands to the "Protestant Ascendancy" as Catholics were 2nd or 3rd class citizens back then.

I have movement around the 1840 to Australia, but that was at the height of the Catholic Emancipation era. The Fitzgerald swapped sides, to be Protestant as soon as they got to Australia, which tells me that Cork wasn't a place to live in the 1820's-1840's (Backed up by a book I'm reading)


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Tipperary / Re: George Cashell from Tipperary - emigrated in 1769
« on: Monday 02 December 13 11:27 GMT (UK)  »
I have a family land document, that shows a tenanted land to G. Cashel in Shallee.
It was listed as 226 Acres, but downsized to 91 Acres.
Landlord was E.W Newenham.

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