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Hi Alison --- Soooooo delighted to hear from you, yes we share the same family. We knew Lionel was my Grandmother (Winifred's brother) and we knew he was a railway engine driver. We did not know he had been married twice and we did not know he had, had 3 boys. So this is all great news for us.  As you may have seen from my previous messages on Roots, I have been trying to trace my mother (Phyllis's real date of birth) - this is what started all my investigations. I have been following all the family history for about 5 years and have found 2 cousins I did not know about. One in Australia who has been over to see us and one in Portsmouth who we met in London last year.  These are people from my Father's side of the family.  So your email, from my mother's side, was read with great interest, I visited Bangor and found where James Edward Jones lived, I did not find another marriage after Kathleen died, but I found he had a a house keeper who stole from him and she was sent to prison.
I have lots more "stuff", and look forward to hearing from you soon.

Hi Ray

Many thanks for the infor re my family:

I can confirm all the family you listed are mine, (except for Lewis b London), and they are also the Jones family living in Bangor. 

I have the birth cert for Edward he was born in Dublin in 1885, Kathleen wasn't married.
I havent been able to trace a marriage in the UK or Ireland for Kathleen + James -- yet.

The children were sent from Bangor to the Orphanages in Watford on the death of their mother in 1893.

I have death certs for both Kathleen (1893) and James (1935) in Bangor and newspaper coverage for both of them.  James never remarried.

I have a marriage cert for Winifred to Albert Brock in 1912 in Liverpool and his death in 1927.
Winifred & her daughter, my Mother Phyllis Brock then went to Manchester to stay with (brother) Lionel.

There is very little information about Eva Margaret. Family oral history says she was a Nanny in Bournemouth, and never married -- this has still to be confirmed.  The 1911 census shows her working in Southport as a bar maid.

Edward appears to have died in WW1 - this is an ongoing enquiry,

My research started because I was trying to locate a record of the birth of my Mother Phyllis Brock, she gave her birthday as 13 May 1913. She said she was adpoted at 2 years old, but would not talk about it. She did not have an original birth cert, saying it was destroyed?? she died in 2004 without giving any information. The only cetificate she had was one that was issued from information supplied by an old school teacher and accepted by St Katherines House. This was sometime shortly after the war.

I was interested in admission and discharge records for the orphanages in Watford, in order to find exactly when they were admitted and where they may have gone immediately afterwards, prior to ending up in the North.

Sorry to write an essay on the topic, but I hope it fills in some gaps.

Again my Thanks and appreciation.

A. Hunter

Many thanks Heywood, yes they are my family, Edward was a half brother and Margaret is Eva. She ws Eva Margaret, it maybe that as these "homes" were run by Roman Catholic orders, they put the saints name first.  Sorry I should have made myself more clear.  I have later info around 1927 onwards. Various places Blackpool, Southport, Liverpool and Manchester.  It is the bit in between leaving the "Homes" and arriving in the North. This is why I wondered if anyone new if there are any records and if so where they maybe.  I have telephoned the Hertfordshire Library Archive centre, they dont have them.  They thought thay maybe held by a Catholic Archive somewhere. Again many thanks.  (I am new to Roots Chat so hope this message gets through to you).

I too have been looking for information on the Convent Of St Vincent, Percy Road, Hertford and have just come across your enquiry.  I found a reference to it on Images of England and also through The Church of the Holyrood Watford.  I hope this might be of help to you.
I am new to Rootschat, so have only just seen your posting from March.