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Lanarkshire / Re: House in Bothwell
« on: Friday 10 August 12 16:23 BST (UK)  »
His address in here

http://www.archive.org/stream/handbookofhamilt1862macp#page/108/mode/2up

Is given as Rosebank. Kirkfield

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Lanarkshire / Re: House in Bothwell
« on: Friday 10 August 12 04:58 BST (UK)  »
Not much help I’m afraid but is it possible the name of the house was changed?

Thomas Herbertson is listed as the occupant of Sweethope in 1843 and in 1852, as you no doubt know, but he is not there in 1857. The problem is Rosebank is not listed in 1857. Could it be that they called they house Rosebank but the post office had it under a different name? The first listing I can find for Rosebank in Bothwell is in 1878 but someone called McCreath is the occupant. There is a Mrs. Herbertson living at Laurel Villa in 1878, could that be his wife? What was her address when she died in 1880?

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Ayrshire / Re: Help! What happened to Dr. James Howie
« on: Friday 03 August 12 03:16 BST (UK)  »
Rickcd

After posting the above I was having a look again at your post and thought this might be your Mary Morton.

John Morton married Mary Mair in Galston 1810
They had a daughter Mary Morton born 14th August baptised 9th September 1813 in Galston, Ayrshire.

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Ayrshire / Re: Help! What happened to Dr. James Howie
« on: Friday 03 August 12 02:13 BST (UK)  »
Rickcd

Looks like you and I have the same challenge, too many Howies in Ayrshire.
The James Howie I’m looking for is listed in Pigot’s directory for 1824/25 but not in 1837, so I’m assuming he either died or moved between these dates. When I read your piece about Acharacle I thought I may have found him. Unfortunately it’s a different Dr. James Howie. The 1868 County Directory lists a Dr. James Howie living at Ardshealach Lodge so I checked the 1861 census and, sure enough, he is there. Problem is that this Dr. James Howie is only aged 31. He was born in Loudon, Ayrshire though so there might be a connection.

The only Thomas Howie I’ve come across was registered in Stevenston in 1810, the son of Robert Howie but that’s all I know about him. I was looking at Robert possibly being a brother of my Dr. Howie but I never got anywhere.

Sorry I can’t help. Looks like we’ll just have to keep searching.

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Ayrshire / Re: Help! What happened to Dr. James Howie
« on: Monday 30 July 12 04:36 BST (UK)  »
Smidget
I’ve been going through all my old notes but that’s one I don’t have. Very interesting though, another Dr. Howie. I’m beginning to think it’s some kind of family tradition. Oldest son gets the farm and the second son goes into medicine type of thing. I’ll keep looking and if I come across anything I’ll let you know.
Jimmy

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Ayrshire / Re: Help! What happened to Dr. James Howie
« on: Saturday 21 July 12 02:47 BST (UK)  »
Sorry Rickcd but it is Dr JAMES Howie. Whether he had any brothers or not I’ve no idea as I’ve not managed to figure out who his parents were, I’ve narrowed it down to about eight couples but not sure about any of them. I would agree about the dates though. My James Howie had a son Robert born in 1810 and another son John born in 1811 so I doubt if he also had a brother born around the same time.
What was your ancestors name and do you know where he came from? I’ve looked at a lot of Howies in Ayrshire over the last couple of years and I might have come across him.

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Ayrshire / Re: Help! What happened to Dr. James Howie
« on: Sunday 15 July 12 01:13 BST (UK)  »
Thanks again normamac that could well be Margaret in 1851.

I’m pretty sure James Howie was a medical surgeon based on the OPR on SP. When he married in 1806 he is recorded as James Howie, Surgeon, of Kilwinning, on the births of his various children he is recorded as James Howie, Surgeon, James Howie, Physician and Dr James Howie. On the death certificates of his children Jean and Charles, both after 1855, their father’s occupation is given as Physician/Surgeon.

Again pure speculation, but based on what you’ve given me, Margaret McVitie dying in 1928 and Margaret in the 1851 census, it looks like something happened after his wife’s death to break up the family. My G.G. Grand Father, Charles, was working as a labourer in Dundonald in 1841 and it now looks like his sister Margaret is in domestic service in 1851.

The family you mention is the right one with the two Johns, I’m assume the first one died in infancy. I’m not convinced about the John D Howie born 1781 though, this would make him 25 when he married in 1806 and, as at this time he was a surgeon, it seems a little young, I must admit I don’t know how long it took to qualify in 1806 though. The problem I have is that there a lot of Howie’s living in Ayrshire at this time, as I’ve found when chasing a lot of false leads on SP.

Thanks again, your help is greatly appreciated.

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Ayrshire / Re: Help! What happened to Dr. James Howie
« on: Saturday 14 July 12 03:08 BST (UK)  »
Thanks normamac, if that is her that could be part of the answer. I know they had about six children and if Margaret died in 1828 James was left, a widower, with six kids varying in ages from four to eighteen. (This is where the imagination takes over. Did he turn to drink? Or, as a physician, drugs? Ending his life a gibbering wreck and leaving his kids penniless to end up in the poorhouse).  :)
Perhaps there was a more mundane reason. I’ll have to keep looking.
Anyway, thanks again.

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Ayrshire / Help! What happened to Dr. James Howie
« on: Monday 18 June 12 03:37 BST (UK)  »
James Howie (Physician Surgeon) married Margaret Mcvitie in Old Cummnock 1806. They moved to Kilwinning where they had at least six children including Charles, my G.G.Grand Father and his sister Jean. Charles moved to Dundonald where he worked as a Blacksmith’s labourer and Jean ended up dying as a pauper in the Irvine poorhouse. Not what you would expect from the children of a physician/surgeon. I can find no record of the deaths of James or Margaret, which must have been after 1824 when their last known child, Margaret, was born. Nor can I find any records of the other children.
I would love to know what happened to bring this family down to such dire straits, especially Jean, ending up in the poorhouse.
If anyone has come across this family line, any information would be greatly appreciated.

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