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Travelling People / Re: Kentish Gypsies !
« on: Thursday 12 June 14 19:49 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for your thoughts. I was always led to believe that my nan wad fully Romany. It is believed that the Daisy came originally from Ireland and were maybe Darcy or Dawsey there. There are record as far back as the 1500s in Folkestone. As you can imagine, the spelling differed enormously. I have Dasie, Daxey, Daisey and Daysay, to name but a few.
My branch married a Eleanor Fagg, who was not Romany, but many Daisys used Fagg as an alias.
They are often found on census records with the Lees, Hierons and Broens on Uxbridge Moor, my Nan's other side of the family. She claimed to be related to Urania Boswell nee Lee.
The mystery we have is why so many families used the name Daisy, as if they belonged to their tribe. For example, my co-researcher has Anne Clarke with John Fagg and the children with the surname Daysay alias Fagg. No Daisy surname that we can find. I am attaching the 1851 census of my family as an example. If anyone can shed
Iight on the mystery, we would be grateful.

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Travelling People / Re: Kentish Gypsies !
« on: Thursday 12 June 14 10:09 BST (UK)  »
I have Daisys (Spelled 14 different ways) Clarkes, Browns, Staverleys, Berrys, Perrys and Watts.
I am mostly interested in the Daisy family. They came from Folkestone oringally. My great, great was John Daisy, born in Hollingbourne 1809. He married Eleanor Brown in 1829. They had a family tragedy. On 24 December 1848, there was a caravan fire and they lost 5 little girls. (see attachment).

While researching the Daisys I came across a family, Thomas Duncombe and his wife Judith.  On one census they are Duncombe and on the next they are Daisy.  I thought, perhaps Daisy was her name, but no, it's Tucker. Sometimes their children are baptised Dumcombe and sometimes Daisy.  It's the same with the Death records.  His parents and grandparents are doing the same and not a Daisy surname in sight. Any ideas?

Kay

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Travelling People / Re: Kent gypsy
« on: Wednesday 30 April 14 14:13 BST (UK)  »
My Kent gypsies were the Daisy family or Daysay as they are sometimes know. They were around the Sittingbourne to Folkestone  areas and were mostly hawkers or seamen. Going back further they had marriage links with the Fagg family.  I don't think they were neccessarily romany, but they were heavily into smuggling. The Bassett family also show up in this line.
Important things to remember are, you may find several baptisms for the same child, the mother's name was sometimes used instead of the father's and aliases were common when they didn't want to be known.
Hope that helps, and if anyone has heard of my lot, please let me know.

Kay

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Travelling People / Re: Are they gypsies?
« on: Wednesday 20 June 12 11:11 BST (UK)  »
You could be right although that presents another puzzle.  My nan's father was Frederick Callaghan, from Irish descent.  I had thought that the Irish are travellers and not Romany.  If that is the case it would make her half Romany, but she was adamant that she was Romany through and through.  Can anybody shed any light on this.  Do Irish people consider themselves Romany or is it only the female side that counts?

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Travelling People / Re: Are they gypsies?
« on: Tuesday 12 June 12 12:35 BST (UK)  »
My nan referred to herself as Romany.  She referred to everyone else who called themselves gypsies as didicoys.  Woe betide those who turned up on her doorstep to sell pegs, heather etc. and try and tell her fortune.  She told me she was a Lee, and proud of it, although when I came to do the family tree i found Daisy, Cox, Cooper and Hierons before I got back to the Lees.
My father used to speak of staying on the Romany site and making wax flowers.  My nan also picked hops in Kent.

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