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Hi Barbara it is  a minefield trying to find my Griffiths family But John G was  a master builder and mason an hopefully may fit into your family as his children  all came to live in Wandiligong Victoria Australia about 1857-1867 when Mary his first daughter  married  my ggrandfather Donald Forbes in 1853 Trevethin Pontypool  WALES  and settled there with Marys  sisters and brothers were Sarah 1834, Adeline1836, Marie Louisa 1837 James 1838 and John g 1841 who died four months after Sarahs death  from typhoid in 1842

My gg grandfather John Griffiths circa 1808?-1852 was  listed on the 1851 census for Trevethin, Pontypool Monmouthshire, as born in MANTWILL Glamorgan. I have found a William and Sarah Griffiths as his possible parents from Melincryddan Neath Glamorgan  John G baptized when 10 birth old noted as an 1808 birth All  deaths recorded at St Cardoc's Church Trevethin Pontypool Monmouthshire

John G notes his father was William Griffiths  on his second marriage records to Margaret Harris DAVIES (1801-1880+). He was  firstly married to Sarah Morris circa 1805 who died in 1842 Pontypool possibly born Monmouthshire  maybe to John Morris and Sarah Mysham or similiar

Margaret's johns  second marriage first husband was David Davies 1786-1842 both from MARLYBONE London who had been married to Elizabeth Jones (circa 1786-1838) lived   later ijn Trevethin Monmouthshire . 

Margaret and Elizabeth Jones Davies (Abt 1787-1838) David DAVIES 1784-1840  first wife ) were listed as Inn Keeper and David  Davies as Brewer who owned the Three Cranes in Crane St Trevethin Monmouthshire on the 1841 and 1851 census. Davies children were relocated to relatives on David's death in 1840 but not Elizabeth D who was adopted by John Griffiths and Margaret Carolyn Harris, Davies father John Harris was a tailor in London Harris family from Malhilibad or Goytre  Monmouthshire

To complicate things further Margaret Harris Davies Griffiths then married William Phillips in 1865 a wealthy coal miner and land owner and died after him about 1880 step mother to about 30 children with none her own just her stepdaughter Elizabeth davies
Hope this helps live in Melbourne where are you residing  Happy new year Jeanne

Your help is much appreciated I will add them to my family tree. I believe Richard and Margaret Crone his wife should be added to the Peerage Pages given their grandparents who are on it namely Honora Roache c1810-post 1871 and Thomas Crone 1811-1871 Unfortunately there has been a mistake on these pages in attributing Thomas Crone birth to Clutterbuck Crone his brother on these pages I expect  Richard Couche's family should also be added to these pages Does anyone know how I might be able to do this a sthe person to email does not answer my emails

Jeanne S

Thankyou  so much for your prompt reply. I did find the will relatives said John was before he died and MARGARET was a good women John Griffiths according to his death records   say he was 47 in 1852 when he died  but I suspect it may have been later too

Sarah Morris his wife died in1842 of Typhoid on ancestry death records she is noted as 37 in 1842 She I think would be buried in buried in St Cadoc's, perhaps in a special part with her son re the disease   Further I wondered if you knew how could possibly obtain  their burial records from St CARDOCS for this couple and wondered if their parents would be noted on these documents

 The only records that fit for Sarah Morris Griffiths (George St Trevethin ) birth marriage records and marriage I found are in St Phillips and Jacobs Bristol I wondered  how I might be able to obtain  burial records for St CARDOCS Trevethin as all the family seem to be baptized and buried there and wondered if their parents are generally noted on these documents

I was told that NANTYMOEL did not exist until later unless it was the name of a particular farm in Glamorgan. I will research William and Elizabeth Griffiths as Johns parents and the location that is very helpful information Thankyou

My gg grandfather was John Griffiths circa 1805-1852 master mason and builder is listed on the 1851 census for Trevethin, Pontypool Monmouthshire, as born in MANTWILL Glamorgan, possibly a transcription error as I cant find it. Notes his father was William Griffiths noted on his second marriage to Margaret Harris DAVIES (1801-1880+). He was  firstly married to Sarah Morris circa 1805 who died in 1842. 

Margaret's first husband was David Davies 1786-1842 both from MARLYBONE London who had been married to Elizabeth Jones (circa 1786-1838) They must have moved to Trevethin Monmouthshire as her parents were there.  Margaret and Elizabeth Davies were listed as Inn Keeper and David  Davies a Brewer who owned the Three Cranes in Crane St Trevethin Monmouthshire on 1841 and 1851 census. Davies children were relocated to relatives on Davids death but not Elizabeth D

There appears a lot of possible connection any help??

EDWARD WARRINGTON and ELIZABETH ROACH

Edward WARRINGTON was born in Dapto in on the 9th of January 1843 (ref 1), begins in Ireland in 1770 with birth of Catharine MALONE.

Catharine MALONE: tried at Dublin in 1792 for  theft  from Francis Hopkins  transported to Australia for seven years (ref 2) arrived on  “Sugar Cane” in 1793 (ref 3).She had  four husbands/de factos and five children, a daughter Sarah died at two, and four sons. The father
of  elder three boys was John Worthington (WARRINGTON) other William  Fry  a convict. She was  sentenced to Female Cloth Factory (prison) for a prison break  with two eldest boys admitted into the Orphan School in Parramatta (ref 4). William  born 1812,  christened 1826 and his baptism certificate with father listed, as William FRY MALONE (ref 5).

b) William WARRINGTON
William Fry MALONE (WARRINGTON) and  Louisa KNOWLAND married  in Dapto in 1841 (ref 6).  William’s  pseudo  name “HARRINGTON” Louisa fathe David KNOWLAND and Mary SMITH, both English convicts. David  England  1772 transported on the Third Fleet vessel “Neptune” in 1790 convicted at 14 25 June 1788 for housebreaking (ref 7). Mary SMITH w Hampshire in 1776 and transported on  “Nile” in 1801 (ref .

c) David KNOWLAND
David KNOWLAND became a respectable citizen in Sydney after serving the term of his sentence. David married Mary SMITH in 1810 (ref 9) after  daughters birth Louisa in 1808 and Mary in 1809 (ref 10). Given a grant of land in 1814 and in 1818  appointed as guardian to Thomas Warrington  son of Catharine MALONE and elder brother of William WARRINGTON (ref 11). David died in 1837 (ref 12) Mary died in 1865 (ref 13).

Louisa KNOWLAND,  Lucy, 18 when married James JACKSON in 1826 (ref 14).   James  died 1826 (ref 15) after which Lucy began her relationship with William WARRINGTON. William younger brother of Thomas Warrington  relationship  a family connection,  David was Thomas' guardian. The marriage of William and Lucy is  Dapto in the NSW BDM Index in September 1841 (ref 16) first child was born in 1834 (ref 17) nine children, including Edward WARRINGTON  born  Dapto on the 9th of January 1843 (ref 18).

William WARRINGTON died Braidwood 1894 (ref 19)  married Elizabeth ROACHE (ROACH)  Wollongong 5 /2/ 1861 (ref 20). Edward signed  his “X” mark and as Elizabeth was under the age of 21, the certificate states the marriage with  consent of her father James ROACHE.

 James ROACH
James ROACH was born in Doneraile, County Cork, Ireland in about 1807, the son of farm labourer Thomas ROACH and Julia MELLAN (ref 21). James is listed as a free man in Dapto on the 1841 NSW Census (ref 22). He married Mary Ann MILNE in Dapto in 1843 and they had six children, the eldest being Elizabeth. Her children's birth records  indicate she was born in 1842 or 1843. Mary Ann MILNE died i1854 (ref 23)  buried in Roman Catholic ceremony at Wollongong on 12 May. James ROACH married again in 1855 to Helen WILLIAMS (ref 24)fathered, Ellen. James died on 28 July 1873 (ref 25)  death certificate states he had lived in NSW for 49 years, arriving in the colony in about 1824. His occupation is a  farmer.

Edward WARRINGTON and Elizabeth ROACH:
Edward and Elizabeth had six children, four bearing the surname WARRINGTON and the younger two, FRY. The youngest child 31 July1870 as Ernest Roach FRY, with the father’s name as Edward Warrington FRY (ref 26). No record of Elizabeth’s death in NSW BDM, however Edward married Mary Ann TEASDALE in Cooma in 1874 (ref 27) having  three more children.

Edward died on 13 August 1895 (ref 28)  lists his parents as being William Warrington and Lucy Nowlan (Louisa Knowland), so it is the same person. His  occupation is farmer
Children of Edward WARRINGTON and Elizabeth ROACH:

Francis Mathias Fry WARRINGTON      22 Feb 1862     Broulee
Angelina Lucy WARRINGTON            30 June 1863        Broulee
Albert Edward WARRINGTON            16 Nov 1864     Broulee
Edgar James Fry WARRINGTON      28 Jan 1867     Broulee
Mary T FRY                  1869            Ulladulla
Ernest Roach FRY                31 July 1870        Milton

REFERENCE SOURCES:
1   NSW Birth Certificate ref V18431503 121A/1843
2   A Nimble Fingered Tribe by
3   Irish Convicts to NSW provided by Peter Mayberry
4   Lesley Uebel’s Convict Anthology
5   NSW Birth Certificate ref: V18127499/ 1C/1812
6   NSW Marriage Certificate ref V182137 123/1841
7   The Proceedings of the Old Bailey
8   Colonial Secretary Index 1788 – 1825 and Convict Women to NSW
9   NSW Marriage Certificate ref V18101016 3A/1810
10  NSW Birth Certificate V18092109 1A/1809
11  Colonial Secretary Index 1788 - 1825
12  NSW Death Certificate ref V18372636 21/1837
13  NSW Death Certificate ref 301/1865
14  NSW Marriage certificate ref
15  NSW Death Certificate V1826642 10/1826
16  NSW Marriage certificate ref V184137 123/1841
17  Colbran Genealogy, Rootsweb
18  NSW Birth Certificate ref V18431503 121A/1843
19  NSW Death Certificate 3272/1894
20  NSW Marriage Certificate ref 3111/1861
21  NSW Death Certificate 1873/007464
22  NSW Census of the Year 1841
23  NSW Burial Certificate 22o Vol: 122A
24  NSW Marriage Certificate ref no: V1855133 123/1855
25  NSW Death Certificate 1873/007464
26  NSW Birth Certificate ref: 1870/017954
27  NSW Marriage Certificate ref: 2165/1874
28  NSW Death Certificate ref 7954/1895
29  NSW Birth Certificate 1863/006436
30  NSW Birth Certificate 1870/017954

Jeanne