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London and Middlesex / Re: Missionary School of Islington, in Upper St. 1881
« on: Thursday 12 July 12 12:22 BST (UK)  »
hi keith, have only just read these posts as I remembered the odd rumour of a missionary in my family, and found a John Martin in the same 1881 census of the Missionary College in Upper st. who might be an ancester of mine.
I googled a few miss-spellings and then found the term, 'Missiology', which seems to fit. (although it does appear to be a relatively new term, I'm not sure when it was first used.) Here is the definition from Wikipedia:

'Missiology is the area of practical theology that investigates the mandate, message, and mission of the Christian church, especially the nature of missionary work. Missiology is a multi-disciplinary and cross-cultural field of study incorporating theology, anthropology, history, geography, theories and methods of communication, comparative religion, Christian apologetics, methodology, and interdenominational relations. "Inherent in the discipline is the study of the nature of God, the created world, and the Church, as well as the interaction among these three.'

I also came across some old photos on flicker that might be of interest:

www.flickr.com/photos/29482804@N06/sets/.../detail/

I now need to do some more census searches etc. but thanks for all the info. What an interesting place it must have been!

jenny




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London and Middlesex / Re: Baites - a solid brick wall
« on: Thursday 07 June 12 20:29 BST (UK)  »
hi lisa, I have found what looks like your family in the 1871 census and the 1881 census.

The 1871 census contains a record  of an Elizabeth age 45, with the three named children, aged 17, 12, and 10 respectively. There is no husband Charles or Frederick in the list and they are in the Camberwell district. (I did not pay to view the whole record)

The 1881 census lists them at 3 Pinnocks Place Camberwell, Surrey: Elizabeth is widowed (aged 50), daughter is not there (possibly married and living elsewhere), sons occupations are both coal porters and they are living with a neice and two nephews, surname Davis, and two lodgers.

If you view the full records maybe Elizabeth was widowed in the 1871 census also. I couldn't find a death record for Charles between 1861 and 1871. If you can't find it, I suppose it might be worth checking to see if he was killed overseas in one of the Victorian wars. My great grandfather who also lived in Camberwell was in Burma during the 1881 census, but I had no way of knowing this until I found his army papers which contained a list of all his locations during his time in the army. It also gave the names of siblings.

good luck with your searching, hope you find what you are looking for,

jenny


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London and Middlesex / Re: George Martin, Islington, London 1858/9-1941
« on: Monday 04 June 12 22:38 BST (UK)  »
thank you for your information, dawn, I wasn't aware of that. I see how this could be one reason why there are sometimes inconsistencies with birth dates, as baptisms sometimes took place some months or years after a birth.

jenny

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London and Middlesex / George Martin, Islington, London 1858/9-1941
« on: Monday 04 June 12 17:31 BST (UK)  »
massive brick wall, I wonder if anyone might be able to help please?

have not been able to find a birth certificate for my great grandfather, george martin. I have every available record going back to 1878, including his army attestation papers.

am desperately wanting to find his birth record or a census of 1871, or 1861.
 
d.o.b. is c.1858/9 Islington, London
his army papers show he had an older brother, William, but do not mention any other siblings.
his father is shown as John William Martin, occupation shipmate, on his marriage certificate.

Over several years, I have sent off for all the birth certificates for the name george, covering a period of about five years either side of his birth date, and including all the various districts of Islington such as Finsbury, Clerkenwell etc. All to no avail, apart from one dated 1865, mentioning father as John, occupation gardener (mother, sarah nee biggs).

I know sometimes second or middle names get used instead of first names, which adds to my confusion or could the above record be the right one, surely registration could not have taken place six years late?

I have not started a separate search yet for william's birth certificate as I have no accurate date, only that he was older.
I have also checked the 1851,61,and 71 census for the address given on the 1865 certificate, but no Martins living there or in nearby streets.

In conclusion, the nearest matches I can see for all three names are from the LDS website which mentions a John Martin as father to a william, a john and a george, between the years 1852 - 1859 in separate listings at old church, Pancras, all with the same mother's name of Sarah, but no maiden name.

Tricky?  my roots may remain hidden perhaps.

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