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Midlothian / re: Mary Murray, Helen Calderwood, reply from alisonbcd
« on: Tuesday 18 September 12 13:58 BST (UK)  »
alisonbcd

Hi Alison,

Thanks for your message!
I've sent a reply to your mailbox which I hope you'll be able to access. I'll be very happy if you have any more info about Mary Murray and Helen Calderwood and their time in Temple.

Cheers

Craig

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Midlothian / Re: Temple Village Midlothian
« on: Friday 29 June 12 15:14 BST (UK)  »
Hi Archie,

Thanks once again for taking the trouble to send me info, I'm very grateful!

Thanks also for the photos offer but I managed to take a few pics of the Mary Murray and William Pringle headstones when I was there last year (my very first visit to Temple) .....they are definately my family....the other Murrays I don't think are related in any way... but thanks anyway!

Interesting re the William Pringle you mentioned who was a wright in Temple (husband of Janet Craig)....my Pringle ancestors who had the Temple and Huntlycot farms originally had a cartwrights business based in Heriot.....I think the coming of the railways caused a decline in business and their subsequent move into farming. Not sure if this William is related in any way though.

My search for the definitive proof of Mary Murray's parentage continues!!!

Best Wishes,

Craig

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Midlothian / Re: Temple Village Midlothian
« on: Thursday 28 June 12 15:23 BST (UK)  »
Hi Archie,

Thanks very much for your speedy response to my request for info!

Elisabeth may well not have been buried at Temple but she definately died at Temple Farm; I have a copy of the Statutory Death Entry, reported by her son William Pringle who was the farmer at Temple Farm at the time. His own family stone in the churchyard at Temple is still intact.

Thanks also for the info on James Pringle's parents. I had thought previously, by a process of elimination, that they might be his parents but had no proof of this. Unfortunately, I neglected to keep notes as to where I sourced my info from a lot of the time so am not sure where I found this initially.

You wouldn't happen to know who John Pringle's parents were would you or where I might be able to find out?

As to my trying to confirm Mary Murray's parentage.....something that may interest you having noted your own background re the Knights Templars etc.... if I can prove that Mary Murray is indeed the daughter of Helen Calderwood and James Murray in Tweedsmuir then I have almost categorical proof that she is descended from a number of families with Templar or Crusader connections such as the St Clair's of Rosslyn (and me too!!)....for instance, she'd be a 16 x great grandaughter of Sir William St Clair of Rosslyn who died at the Battle of Teba.

Thanks Archie,

Craig

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Midlothian / Re: Temple Village Midlothian
« on: Thursday 28 June 12 12:49 BST (UK)  »
I'm descended from a number of families with Temple connections; my 4 x gr grandfather JAMES PRINGLE and his descendents had HUNTLY COT FARM in Temple Parish; his son, my 3 x great uncle William, and his descendents had TEMPLE FARM.

JAMES PRINGLE, who was originally from Heriot, married ELISABETH RAMAGE, the daughter of RICHARD RAMAGE, the shepherd in Outerston, and his wife, my 5 x great grandmother MARY MURRAY.

MARY MURRAY died in 1799 aged 34, indicating a birth year around 1765, and is buried in Temple churchyard. WILLIAM PRINGLE and his family are also buried in Temple churchyard.

I'm trying to establish whether my 5 x great grandmother MARY MURRAY is the same MARY MURRAY who was the daughter of JAMES MURRAY and HELEN CALDERWOOD and was born in Tweedsmuir in 1765.

There are a number of facts and coincidences which indicate that my MARY MURRAY, buried in Temple, and the one born in Tweedsmuir are one and the same but I have no concrete evidence of this and am very keen to find some in order that I can confirm parts of my family tree.

MARY MURRAY from Tweedsmuir's parents, JAMES MURRAY AND HELEN CALDERWOOD never married. I can find no record of HELEN CALDERWOOD or her daughter MARY MURRAY in the Tweedsmuir area after the baptismal entry made in 1765.

In 1779, in Temple, a HELEN CALDERWOOD married ROBERT STIRLING. This may be a coincidence but if this is the same HELEN CALDERWOOD who previously had a daughter, MARY MURRAY, with JAMES MURRAY in Tweedsmuir this might explain my Mary's presence in the Temple area and her subsequent marriage to RICHARD RAMAGE.

I don't think that the family name MURRAY was a common one in the Temple area which could also indicate my Mary having moved there from another area.

HELEN CALDERWOOD and ROBERT STIRLING had a daughter, Alison, who married ROBERT HERRIOT in 1802.

MARY MURRAY and RICHARD RAMAGE'S grandaughter, MARY PRINGLE, daughter of JAMES PRINGLE and ELISABETH RAMAGE, married a JOHN HERRIOT a few generations later, possibly indicating previous links between the families.

ELISABETH RAMAGE died at TEMPLE FARM in 1895, aged 97, however I have no idea where she is buried. I certainly didn't find any evidence of her possible burial there when I searched Temple churchyard last year.

I'm also keen to establish the parentage of my 4 x great grandfather JAMES PRINGLE of HUNTLY COT FARM, who was born in HERIOT, I believe, around 1788. I'm hoping someone might be able to enlighten me.

Any info on any of my ancestors would be most welcome.

Many Thanks,

Craig Mitchell

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