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Cork / Re: Castletownroche--What is Inches?
« on: Thursday 31 October 24 20:03 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much, Frances. I appreciate the help.
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Cork / Re: Castletownroche--What is Inches?
« on: Wednesday 30 October 24 12:02 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for that great information, Frances. They certainly look like relatives.
The best I can do on where the Quinlans lived was in nearby Kilcummer. At the 1831 marriage of Patrick Quinlan and Margaret Gorman, the witnesses were David Hennessy and Johanna Hanlon. David Hennessy married a Margaret Quinlan on 12 February 1829 in the parish of Annakissy. This couple also immigrated to New York City and remained very close to the Quinlan-Gorman family there. Margaret Quinlan Hennessy's obit in the NY Herald says she was from 'Kilcoorner', a misspelling of Kilcummer. Kilcummer is 'an ancient parish now part of Castletownroche', according to Grove White. So this indicates the Quinlans were from the same close area as the Gormans. Again, thank you.
The best I can do on where the Quinlans lived was in nearby Kilcummer. At the 1831 marriage of Patrick Quinlan and Margaret Gorman, the witnesses were David Hennessy and Johanna Hanlon. David Hennessy married a Margaret Quinlan on 12 February 1829 in the parish of Annakissy. This couple also immigrated to New York City and remained very close to the Quinlan-Gorman family there. Margaret Quinlan Hennessy's obit in the NY Herald says she was from 'Kilcoorner', a misspelling of Kilcummer. Kilcummer is 'an ancient parish now part of Castletownroche', according to Grove White. So this indicates the Quinlans were from the same close area as the Gormans. Again, thank you.
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Cork / Re: Castletownroche--What is Inches?
« on: Tuesday 29 October 24 18:37 GMT (UK) »
Alison did the children of Patrick Quinlan & Mgt Gorman remain in Ireland
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No, they did not. The entire family emigrated in three separate voyages. I assume they didn't have the money for all to travel at once. Patrick Quinlan in 1849, his wife Margaret Gorman Quinlan with their oldest son, John, age 11, in 1850, and teen-age Ellen with the three youngest children, Mary, James (my great-grandfather), and Thomas (second of the name) in 1851. Little Thomas Quinlan did not survive the voyage, alas.
Ellen also had charge of at least one young cousin, Denis Creeden. Denis' parents were Daniel Creeden and Mary Gorman Creeden, sister of Margaret Gorman Quinlan. The Creedens emigrated about the same time with their oldest son Patrick and baby John.
But it's possible, even likely, that Patrick Quinlan and wife Mary Gorman had siblings and/or cousins who remained in Castletownroche and nearby.
Thank you for the reply, ballydw.
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No, they did not. The entire family emigrated in three separate voyages. I assume they didn't have the money for all to travel at once. Patrick Quinlan in 1849, his wife Margaret Gorman Quinlan with their oldest son, John, age 11, in 1850, and teen-age Ellen with the three youngest children, Mary, James (my great-grandfather), and Thomas (second of the name) in 1851. Little Thomas Quinlan did not survive the voyage, alas.
Ellen also had charge of at least one young cousin, Denis Creeden. Denis' parents were Daniel Creeden and Mary Gorman Creeden, sister of Margaret Gorman Quinlan. The Creedens emigrated about the same time with their oldest son Patrick and baby John.
But it's possible, even likely, that Patrick Quinlan and wife Mary Gorman had siblings and/or cousins who remained in Castletownroche and nearby.
Thank you for the reply, ballydw.
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Cork / Re: Castletownroche--What is Inches?
« on: Tuesday 29 October 24 03:04 GMT (UK) »
Thanks so much for that. Very interesting. I wish I were there to chat with him. Our elders are often a font of knowledge found nowhere else. It would be great if I still had cousins there.
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Cork / Re: Castletownroche--What is Inches?
« on: Tuesday 22 October 24 23:05 BST (UK) »
Thank you for all the helpful replies and suggestions. The Tithe Applotments site is a bit of a mess but I think that is the right place. And there seems to be a Thomas Gorman listed. I suspect it was my Gorman ancestors living there and the Quinlans nearby in Kilcummer perhaps. Thank you, Gaffy, for mentioning the sale of the lands that mention Inches.
Patrick Quinlan and Margaret Gorman were married in Castletownroche RC parish on 5 May 1831. They had six children in Ireland for whom I found baptisms, helped by Patrick's list in the 1850 US census when, in fact, all but one were still in Ireland. Didn't he understand the question or was he eager to make his children Americans? I'll never know. The first child, Thomas?, must have died as there is no record of him other than his baptism. Then were born Ellen, Mary, John, James, Thomas (another) and finally Patrick who was born in New York.
The baptisms seem to mostly say Clifford. That was an estate with formal gardens, as can be seen on the OS map. It overlooks the River Blackwater and is quite scenic. The house has been restored. I assume my ancestors were employed by the estate.
The second Thomas Quinlan, the last child born in Ireland, was baptized 27 June 1846, same parish. The address is given as Inches. I'll try to attach the link.
I have been doing this for fifteen years and hope the Inches mystery can be solved. Thanks again.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632866?locale=en#page/99/mode/1up
Patrick Quinlan and Margaret Gorman were married in Castletownroche RC parish on 5 May 1831. They had six children in Ireland for whom I found baptisms, helped by Patrick's list in the 1850 US census when, in fact, all but one were still in Ireland. Didn't he understand the question or was he eager to make his children Americans? I'll never know. The first child, Thomas?, must have died as there is no record of him other than his baptism. Then were born Ellen, Mary, John, James, Thomas (another) and finally Patrick who was born in New York.
The baptisms seem to mostly say Clifford. That was an estate with formal gardens, as can be seen on the OS map. It overlooks the River Blackwater and is quite scenic. The house has been restored. I assume my ancestors were employed by the estate.
The second Thomas Quinlan, the last child born in Ireland, was baptized 27 June 1846, same parish. The address is given as Inches. I'll try to attach the link.
I have been doing this for fifteen years and hope the Inches mystery can be solved. Thanks again.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632866?locale=en#page/99/mode/1up
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Cork / Castletownroche--What is Inches?
« on: Tuesday 22 October 24 16:01 BST (UK) »
My great-great grandparents were from the Catholic parish of Castletownroche, civil parish of Bridgetown. Their children's baptisms show the place they lived as Clifford or Inches. I easily found the townland of Clifford but have never been able to figure out where or what Inches is. Their names were Patrick Quinlan and Margaret Gorman. They immigrated to New York City with their children in three separate voyages from 1849 to 1851.
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Limerick / Re: Kilfinane--how to pronounce
« on: Saturday 19 October 24 22:56 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much. Extremely helpful. What a great site that is.
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Limerick / Kilfinane--how to pronounce
« on: Saturday 19 October 24 21:29 BST (UK) »
Research into my Howard family roots has led me via records and DNA matches to Kilfinane, Co Limerick. Can anyone tell me how to pronounce Kilfinane? Thanks.
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The Lighter Side / Re: Ancestry Quick Links
« on: Tuesday 15 October 24 18:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much for the quick reply. Will give it a try.