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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Sinclair/ Wallace New Zealand
« on: Monday 01 January 18 06:47 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Dianne,

The ship which brought my ggg uncle Andrew Hepburn (1801 - 1873) and 1st cousin 4 times removed George Sinclair (1800 - 1875) to Otago in 1857 was the "George Canning." Several other members of the related Hepburn and Sinclair families and spouses were also on this ship including my great grandfather William Hepburn (1834 - 1887) and my 3x great grandfather James Paterson (c1776 - 1861).

It was George's daughter Mary (1836 - 1936) who married John Wallace in Dunedin in 1861, not Mary Murray Sinclair (c.1873 - 1913) who was a single woman. James Spencer Hepburn Wallace (1877 - 1916) was the 7th of 9 children of Mary & John.

I have more information about the Sinclairs and Hepburns researched in the years since I last contributed to Rootschat. It would be easier by normal email if you're interested in more details.

Don Hutton


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Fife / Re: ISO Philps of fife
« on: Saturday 24 May 14 21:41 BST (UK)  »
Hello Fran,

I was just looking at you posts and realized that your "Lizzie" is not on my database but I do have George Elder Hepburn so the likelihood of you and I having the same forebears is still there. I haven't ever researched GEH so it looks as though I have another "twig" to add to my Hepburn tree.

Don

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Fife / Re: Headstone Inscriptions LOCHGELLY CEMETERY
« on: Saturday 01 February 14 21:10 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Norrie,

Thanks for the photos. I'm not sure if Robert Sinclair is one of my relations but it seems likely. The others all fit with the records I have and add information in some cases.

For you information the wife of Ebenezer Sinclair (he d.1950) was actually Mary Ann Henderson (d.1962) but is named as Mary Sinclair on the headstone.

Regards

Don Hutton

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Fife / Re: Headstone Inscriptions LOCHGELLY CEMETERY
« on: Wednesday 29 January 14 10:35 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Norrie,

Thanks very much for the MIs. All look to be for my relations. Yes, I'm very interested in the photos too please. Do you have an on line headstones database with photos? What about other cemeteries adjacent to Lochgelly? Many cemeteries which are run by local government councils here in NZ  are putting them on line and so far not charging!

Regards

Don Hutton

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Fife / Re: Headstone Inscriptions LOCHGELLY CEMETERY
« on: Sunday 26 January 14 03:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,

Lochgelly Headstones

Can you help me with any of these pairings of husband and wife please:

Sinclair - Forsyth
Sinclair - Henderson
Sinclair - Hunter
Sinclair - Logan
Hepburn - Glennie (1) & Cook (2)
Peattie - Wison (1) & Kinnell (2)
Fleetham - Bell
McConnell - Sinclair
Bowness (1) & Stitz  McConnell
McConnell - Dryburgh
Frise  - McConnell

I have some singles as well.

Thanks for any help.

Don Hutton

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Fife / Re: Moncrieff Sinclair
« on: Tuesday 17 July 12 21:54 BST (UK)  »
Hello Ken,

I think we may have corresponded some years ago re our mutual Sinclair relations. Rab has just sent me the link to your recent chat about Moncrieff who has / have puzzled me a bit too. There seems to have been more than one of them. I have printed off a copy of the chat pages and will study them with interest.

You will be interested to know that I have now fallen into line with Rab's conclusions about which George Sinclair married Mary Temple in 1826 (it was a second marriage after his first wife Christian Tod died in 1822), and that George Sinclair who married Margery Heron was not the same man. As you will recall, George Sinclair (1800 - 1875) and Margery Heron (1800 - 1877) along with 4 children came to New Zealand in 1857. In recent months I set myself the task of researching their descendants in this country and have added quite a number of names and biographical information to my database. There is no evidence here that the NZ George was married to anyone other than Margery. I have also been pursuing the descendants of Christian Sinclair and Andrew Mackenzie in NZ. If you want to see the new data I can send you an invitation to view my tree on Ancestry.com.

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I take it you have moved on from Leeds? Somewhere here I have a photo of our visit to your mother in Kirkcaldy in 2004. We haven't been back to the UK since then but may do so next year as our daughter and son-in-law (now both naturalised Brits as well as being kiwis!) are still in London.

Looking forward to catching up again.

Regards

Don Hutton
Christchurch, New Zealand


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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Sinclair/ Wallace New Zealand
« on: Thursday 31 May 12 22:47 BST (UK)  »
Hello Robert,

I hope you are still on Rootschat!

I have proved fairly conclusively that there were two George Sinclairs:

1. George Sinclair (1800 - 1875) who married Margery Heron and emigrated to NZ with their children in 1857. His parents were Alexander Sinclair* and Agnes Davidson. There are numerous descendants of their daughters Mary (m. John Wallace) and Agnes (m. Henry Green) in NZ. I'm working on the sons and other probable relations who came here at other times. This George was 1st cousin to my great great grandfather George Hepburn of Wakari, Dunedin.

2. George Sinclair (b.1805) who married Mary Temple. Their children were Alexander Temple, Charles Hope and Moncreiff Sinclair. His parents were George Sinclair* and Christian Tod. I think  Mary was widowed early as she was on her own with the 3 boys in 1841 and working as a teacher. She died in Dysart in 1847.

* brothers - sons of George St. Clair (Sinclair) and Katherine (Catherine) Suttie (my 3x great grandparents).

I'll be happy to chat on if you wish.

Don Hutton
Family Historian
Christchurch, NZ.


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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Sinclair/ Wallace New Zealand
« on: Monday 21 May 12 08:10 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

Much of this discussion back in 2009 was focused on the question of George Sinclair's marital history. I have gone through the records time and  again and have been in touch with the descendants of a George Sinclair who lived in Leith at one time and married Mary Temple in Edinburgh in 1826. 15 years on I'm still not entirely convinced that George Sinclair who married May Heron (spellings vary in the records) in Leslie in 1833 was the same man. The following notes from my database may be of interest to the participants in the 2009 discussion if they are still interested:

"The marriage record for George and Margery Herron is actually an entry in the Leslie Parish Money Register which reads: "Sep 1   To Proclamation Money, George Sinclair and Mary Herron."

"There is considerable doubt as to whether or not George had a first marriage to Mary Temple. Some researchers think there were two George Sinclairs, both grocers, in Leslie at the same time. There is no certainty, as shown in various records held by the author (me), that the George Sinclair who came to NZ in 1857 was ever married to Mary Temple. Nevertheless, census records for Scotland show that Mary Temple was still alive in 1851 living with her 3 sons, but her George was not in the household. The marriage dates for Mary Temple and Margery Heron  and the births of their children are entirely compatible with a possible conclusion that George and Mary may have parted before he married Margery."

Whatever the case, George and May / Margery and children were accompanied on the George Canning by his 1st cousin Andrew Hepburn & wife (ex Leslie and Wemyss), 1st cousin once removed William Hepburn (my great grandfather) who was returning to Dunedin following a visit to Scotland, probably to accompany his ageing paternal grandfather James Paterson and crippled uncle David Paterson on the long journey to join William's parents George Hepburn and Rachel Paterson (ex Kirkcaldy) in Otago.

George Sinclair and family initially stayed with their Hepburn relations at Halfway Bush, Dunedin and then went to the Hepburn property "Brooklands" in North Otago which was run by James Paterson Hepburn, son of George and Rachel and brother of William.

In 1861 George's daughter Mary Sinclair (b.1836 in Leslie) married John Wallace.  They had 6 children between 1867 and 1880. I have some BDM details of these people.

In 1864 George's daughter Agnes Sinclair (b.1838 in Leslie, bapt in Kirkcaldy) married Henry Green whose family had emigrated to Otago from Hayes, Middlesex in 1856. They had 2 children George and Henry Corbett Green. I have BDM data for this family and descendants.

In the course of all my extensive research, the NZ descendants and relations of George Sinclair and May Heron have provided no evidence that he was ever married earlier to a Mary Temple. However, this is not to say that he wasn't.  He may have separated from Mary and married May. Mary was clearly still alive when he married May in 1833. Mary was apparently a solo mother with sons Alexander Temple, Charles Hope and Moncrieff in 1841 (Census). One could conjecture that George and May never mentioned his possible earlier marriage with Mary to their children.

E&OE

Don Hutton
Christchurch, New Zealand

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Wallace & Sinclair in New Zealand 1856 >
« on: Monday 21 May 12 04:35 BST (UK)  »
I'm looking for a 2009 discussion regarding George Sinclair and May Heron who came to Dunedin, New Zealand in 1857 on the ship "George Canning". One of their daughters, Mary, married John Wallace in Dunedin in 1861. George was the 1st cousin of my great great grandfather George Hepburn (ex Kirkcaldy, Fifeshire)

Much of this discussion was focused on the question of George Sinclair's marital history. I have gone through the records time and  again and have been in touch with the descendants of a George Sinclair who lived in Leith at one time and married Mary Temple in Edinburgh in 1826. 15 years on I'm still not entirely convinced that George Sinclair who married May Heron (spellings vary in the records) in Leslie in 1833 was the same man. The following notes from my database may be of interest to the participants in the 2009 discussion if they are still interested:

"The marriage record for George and Margery Herron is actually an entry in the Leslie Parish Money Register which reads: "Sep 1   To Proclamation Money, George Sinclair and Mary Herron."

"There is considerable doubt as to whether or not George had a first marriage to Mary Temple. Some researchers think there were two George Sinclairs, both grocers, in Leslie at the same time. There is no certainty, as shown in various records held by the author (me), that the George Sinclair who came to NZ in 1857 was ever married to Mary Temple. Nevertheless, census records for Scotland show that Mary Temple was still alive in 1851 living with her 3 sons, but her George was not in the household. The marriage dates for Mary Temple and Margery Heron  and the births of their children are entirely compatible with a possible conclusion that George and Mary may have parted before he married Margery."

Whatever the case, George and May / Margery and children were accompanied on the George Canning by his 1st cousin Andrew Hepburn & wife (ex Leslie and Wemyss), 1st cousin once removed William Hepburn (my great grandfather) who was returning to Dunedin following a visit to Scotland, probably to accompany his ageing paternal grandfather James Paterson and crippled uncle David Paterson on the long journey to join William's parents George Hepburn and Rachel Paterson (ex Kirkcaldy) in Otago.

George Sinclair and family initially stayed with their Hepburn relations at Halfway Bush, Dunedin and then went to the Hepburn property "Brooklands" in North Otago which was run by James Paterson Hepburn, son of George and Rachel and brother of William.

In 1861 George's daughter Mary Sinclair (b.1836 in Leslie) married John Wallace.  They had 6 children between 1867 and 1880. I have some BDM details of these people.

In 1864 George's daughter Agnes Sinclair (b.1838 in Leslie, bapt in Kirkcaldy) married Henry Green whose family had emigrated to Otago from Hayes, Middlesex in 1856. They had 2 children George and Henry Corbett Green. I have BDM data for this family and descendants.

In the course of all my extensive research, the NZ descendants and relations of George Sinclair and May Heron have provided no evidence that he was ever married earlier to a Mary Temple. However, this is not to say that he wasn't.  He may have separated from Mary and married May. Mary was clearly still alive when he married May in 1833. Mary was apparently a solo mother with sons Alexander Temple, Charles Hope and Moncrieff in 1841 (Census). One could conjecture that George and May never mentioned his possible earlier marriage with Mary to their children.

If the participants in the 2009 discussion wish, I'll be happy to continue with it.

E&OE

Don Hutton
Family Historian
Christchurch, New Zealand

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