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England / Re: Herbert Aldrich of England [SOLVED]
« on: Friday 01 September 17 19:52 BST (UK)  »
[SOLVED]

Hello all. I made a breakthrough with this brick wall recently and wish to let you all know of it. Below are the Find-A-Grave profiles I created for...

Walter Herbert Arlidge
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=182845704

Elizabeth "Lizzie" Lyons Arlidge
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=182844642

Just wanted to update this for anyone researching these names in future.

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Yorkshire (North Riding) / Re: Newspapers in 1937
« on: Thursday 17 September 15 21:43 BST (UK)  »
Sounds more to me as if he was using a bit of blarney. He was probably caught doing something he shouldn't have and the newspaper story was a good made up excuse!
Sorry if I'm doing the chap a disservice.
It most likely is the blarney talking. In the same article it reads "Lyons said there had been a lot of exaggeration about his drinking." He seems to have been a troubled soul and family legend suggests PTSD was a contributing factor.

I'd contact the newspaper and see if I could get them interested in tracking it down, as a "quirky feature story".  Then they could publish it, or precis it if it exists and has been published/is available for sale.
I suppose that could be worth a try, if nothing comes of it I'm no worse off than where I'm at with this now!

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Yorkshire (North Riding) / Newspapers in 1937
« on: Thursday 17 September 15 17:21 BST (UK)  »
So this is a bit of a tease. My great granduncle Thomas Lyons, living in Harrogate in a 1937, is mentioned (in a newspaper article) as follows "Lyons declared that he was writing his life story for a newspaper and would receive £100 for it."

It could be a crock of a story (he was on his way to jail for not paying maintenance to his wife) but I have to at least give it a chance. He was born in Ireland, and served in both world wars.

Would a local newspaper pay that kind of money back in 1937 or would it more likely be a regional or national paper? Also I'm not sure what papers were in existence back then, so don't know where to start to look for this potential "life story."

Any advice or thoughts are welcome.

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Australia / Re: Alexander Nethercott (1898-1936)
« on: Tuesday 15 September 15 19:48 BST (UK)  »
Apologies but I may have posted this in the wrong forum - I see I have it under "Australia Resources & Offers". I can't seem to move it to the parent folder [RootsChat.Com » Research in Other Countries » Australia]

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Australia / Alexander Nethercott (1898-1936)
« on: Tuesday 15 September 15 18:55 BST (UK)  »
Alexander Nethercott (contract ticket number 887) is found in England embarking on the S.S. Borda, 1st June 1922. He was contracted to land at the port of Fremantle in Western Australia.

He was born on 16th June 1898 in County Fermanagh in what is now Northern Ireland.

We have no photos of Alexander so I am hoping that one exists in a passport that exists somewhere, or perhaps in some paperwork for him in Australia. He was contracted to land at the port of Fremantle in Western Australia. He was burned to death in a fire in 1936 aged 38.

I have more details at the following page.https://sites.google.com/site/lyonsdrummully/profiled/alexander-nethercott-1898-1936

I'd appreciate any advice on what options I might have (if any) on finding his passport?

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England / Re: Herbert Aldrich of England
« on: Tuesday 15 September 15 16:49 BST (UK)  »
A general question, let's say for arguments sake that her marriage to Mr. Aldrich was her 2nd marriage, would she then be recorded on freebmd with her first married name or her made name of Lyons?

Usually both surnames would be on the Register Indexes - she would be Elizabeth <Smith or whatever> formerly known as Lyons.

For example:


CARVER    MARION            MCGHIE    BIRKENHEAD   
DUFF            MARION            MCGHIE    BIRKENHEAD   
MCGHIE    ROBERT M    CARVER    BIRKENHEAD   
MCGHIE    ROBERT M    DUFF    BIRKENHEAD   


But, on the other hand, my gran didn't mention her maiden name for her 2nd marriage! ::)


And, just for completeness, there is no Aldrich marriage in the Isle of Man Indexes! ;D

Thanks! I've learned something new :)

I can't rule out the possibility of Elizabeth visiting South Africa again after 1932 (and possibly marrying there?) She was one of nine sisters, five of whom at one time or another lived in South Africa. Records from there are sparse but I did find a few for other sisters. Eldest sister Mary Frances Wilson (nee Lyons) who died in Birmingham in 1950 actually had her ashes scattered in South Africa. The Canadian obituary for brother George also refers to another of my brick walls, sister Winifred Josephine Lyons who is a doctor in 1955, in or near (I think) Johannesburg.

They're keeping me busy this lot!  ;D

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England / Re: Herbert Aldrich of England
« on: Tuesday 15 September 15 16:13 BST (UK)  »
FreeBMD shows this possible death:

June qtr 1965
Haringey district     vol 5b, page 768

Aldrich, Elizabeth     age 72
This does look like a good possibility. I guess my next action is to order a death certificate (if possible) to see if I can positively identify this as my great aunt. Thank you KGarrad

Unfortunately, Death Certificates in England & Wales don't contain a lot of information?!
The only "confirmation" you are likely to get is the informant - and that could be anybody. ::)

Yes you are right.

Marriage
I am struggling to find a marriage anywhere, I've looked in England, Scotland and Ireland and nothing really looks like a real possibility. A general question, let's say for arguments sake that her marriage to Mr. Aldrich was her 2nd marriage, would she then be recorded on freebmd with her first married name or her made name of Lyons?

The only marriages between 1932-1955 for a Herbert Aldrich are as follows:

Marriages Sep 1937   (>99%) Aldrich    Herbert W    Warne      Epping        4a   1592
Marriages Jun 1941   (>99%) Aldrich    Herbert H S    Harold      Hammersmith    1a   469

Marriages Sep 1937   (>99%) WARNE    Tryphena    Aldrich    Epping      4a   1592
Marriages Jun 1941   (>99%) Harold    Edith      Aldrich    Hammersmith    1a   469



June qtr 1965 - Haringey district - vol 5b, page 768 - Aldrich, Elizabeth - age 72
For this record (above) the following are two possible matches for the same person (which would eliminate my Elizabeth.
Births Mar 1890   (>99%) Aldrich    Elizabeth        Holborn    1b   715
Births Sep 1893   (>99%) Aldrich    Elizabeth Elvina        Shoreditch    1c   80


Death Records for Herbert Aldrich (all time)
Assuming her husband Herbert Aldrich died in England I have listed all records on freebmd below and am starting to eliminate them one-by-one. I am down to six possibilities.
                         Surname     First name(s)   Age    District     Vol   Page  Born+/-1 Match?
Deaths Mar 1875   (>99%) ALDRICH     Herbert John    0      Lambeth      1d    291   1875     No (deceased)
Deaths Sep 1889   (>99%) Aldrich     Herbert         0      Mile End     1c    291   1889     No (deceased)
Deaths Dec 1894   (>99%) Aldrich     Herbert         15     Smallburgh   4b    32    1879     No (deceased)
Deaths Mar 1912   (>99%) Aldrich     Herbert P       8      London C     1c    36    1904     No (deceased)
Deaths Mar 1914   (>99%) Aldrich     Herbert         49     Erpingham    4b    105   1865     No (deceased)
Deaths Dec 1919   (>99%) Aldrich     Herbert         64     Wangford     4a    1120  1855     No (deceased)
Deaths Mar 1931   (>99%) Aldrich     Herbert         47     W.Ham        4a    229   1884     No (deceased)
Deaths Sep 1937   (>99%) Aldrich     Herbert E       62     Ruthin       11b   313   1875     Possible
Deaths Mar 1940   (>99%) Aldrich     Herbert J       27     Blyth        4a    3289  1913     Unlikely (21 years Elizabeth's junior)
Deaths Mar 1951   (>99%) ALDRICH     Herbert         66     Bridge       5b    81    1885     Possible
Deaths Sep 1956   (>99%) ALDRICH     Herbert G       73     Winchester   6b    602   1883     Possible
Deaths Dec 1958   (>99%) ALDRICH     Herbert W       87     Essex S.W.   5a    152   1871     Possible
Deaths Jun 1959   (>99%) ALDRICH     Herbert H       70     Uxbridge     5f    158   1889     Possible
Deaths Jun 1961   (>99%) ALDRICH     Herbert H       85     Edmonton     5e    252   1876     Possible
Deaths Dec 1963   (>99%) ALDRICH     HERBERT H       23     KING'S L.    4B    489   1940     No (58 years Elizabeth's junior)

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England / Re: Herbert Aldrich of England
« on: Tuesday 15 September 15 15:36 BST (UK)  »
Hi I have looked at the electoral roll in 1965 for an Elizabeth Aldrich in Haringey, it would appear from a cursory look, that Elizabeth had been in the Moreton Road area in Tottenham, Haringey since at least 1922, in fact in 1922 also in the household were an Edmund & William James Aldrich?

EDIT just checked the possible birth of William James Aldrich the above Edmund/Elizabeth/William is NOT the death registration shown above, will have another look for you in Haringey Electoral Roll!

Thank you for your efforts. I am working under the assumption that any marriage took place no earlier than 1932, when Elizabeth was 39 and returning from South Africa to Spofforth in Yorkshire. She does say she intends to live in England in 1932. Her brother Thomas Edward Lyons lived in Green Leas, Spofforth, so she was possibly visiting him. Thomas' surviving family have no recollection of a sister at all, which might suggest she did not stay in Yorkshire. I have nothing on Elizabeth between this in 1932 and 1955 when she suddenly appears as Mrs Herbert Aldrich.

Lily did have a sister in Scotland ("Kitty" Wilson nee Isabel Florence Eveline Lyons) who passed in 1942. I did a check for a marriage for Herbert Aldrich on ScotlandsPeople but it came up blank.

Another sister Mary Frances Wilson lived in Birmingham until her death in 1950.

Another sister Winifred Josephine Lyons moved to South Africa in 1936 - not sure where she lived but she departed from Bournemouth.

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England / Re: Herbert Aldrich of England
« on: Tuesday 15 September 15 03:28 BST (UK)  »
FreeBMD shows this possible death:

June qtr 1965
Haringey district     vol 5b, page 768

Aldrich, Elizabeth     age 72
This does look like a good possibility. Thank you KGarrad

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