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World War Two / Re: RAF 78 Squadron WW2
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World War Two / Re: RAF 78 Squadron WW2
« on: Tuesday 10 June 14 17:26 BST (UK) »
Clotfy
78 Sqn was not a "Reserve Sqn" Further details as to the specific loss detailed below
27th / 28th August 1943: Halifax Mk BII, JD406 EY-P "Rothman P~Peter”
Built by English Electric Co (Salmesbury & Preston) this particular aircraft was delivered to 78 Sqn between 29th July and 5th August 1943
The crew were briefed to attack Nuremburg. The ATD of the aircraft from RAF Breighton, Yorkshire was 2054
JD406 EY-P was one of two 78 Sqn aircraft lost on this operation. The other was; JD414 EY-M
The cause of JD406 EY-P’s loss was not established. The aircraft crashed at Souilly, 16km SW of Verdun (Meuse) France
Pilot F/O R.H. Orr RCAF +
Flight Engineer Sgt E.J. Williams +
Navigator F/O W.V. Gregson +
Bomb Aimer Sgt P.J. Wenmoth +
Wireless Operator Sgt I. Illingworth +
Mid Upper Gunner Sgt W.A. Dunleavy RCAF
Rear Gunner Sgt H. McN. Gill +
Those killed are buried in Souilly Churchyard, France
Sgt Dunleavy was interned in Stalag 9C (Bad Orb)
ORR, Flying Officer (P) RICHARD HERBERT, J/20704, 78 (R.A.F.) Sqn Royal Canadian Air Force. 28 August 1943. Age 27. Son of Arthur Joseph and Bertha Jane Orr, of Underwood, Ontario, Canada. Grave Ref. Grave 3.
WILLIAMS, Sergeant (FE) ENOCH JONES, 1130519, 78 Sqn Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve. 28 August 1943. Age 22. Son of Thomas and Rebecca Williams, of Blaenrhondda, Glamorgan. Grave Ref. Grave 6.
GREGSON, Flying Officer (NAV) WILLIAM VICTOR, 131902, 78 Sqn Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve. 28 August 1943. Age 25. Son of William and Dorothy Gregson; husband of Sally Gregson, of Liverpool. Grave Ref. Grave 5.
WENMOTH, Sergeant (BA) PERCIVAL JACK, 997249, 78 Sqn Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve. 28 August 1943. Age 24. Son of Mr. and Mrs. C. P. Wenmoth, of Whalley Range, Manchester. Grave Ref. Grave 2.
ILLINGWORTH, Sergeant (WOP/AG) IRVINE, 1079192, 78 Sqn Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve. 28 August 1943. Grave Ref. Grave 1.
GILL, Sergeant (RG) HECTOR MCNEILL, 613186, 78 Sqn Royal Air Force. 28 August 1943. Age 24. Son of John McNeill Gill and Catherine McNeill Gill, of Campbelltown, Argyllshire; husband of Verbena Ruth Gill. Grave Ref. Grave 4.
Hope this is of use?
Kind Regards
Halifaxman
78 Sqn was not a "Reserve Sqn" Further details as to the specific loss detailed below
27th / 28th August 1943: Halifax Mk BII, JD406 EY-P "Rothman P~Peter”
Built by English Electric Co (Salmesbury & Preston) this particular aircraft was delivered to 78 Sqn between 29th July and 5th August 1943
The crew were briefed to attack Nuremburg. The ATD of the aircraft from RAF Breighton, Yorkshire was 2054
JD406 EY-P was one of two 78 Sqn aircraft lost on this operation. The other was; JD414 EY-M
The cause of JD406 EY-P’s loss was not established. The aircraft crashed at Souilly, 16km SW of Verdun (Meuse) France
Pilot F/O R.H. Orr RCAF +
Flight Engineer Sgt E.J. Williams +
Navigator F/O W.V. Gregson +
Bomb Aimer Sgt P.J. Wenmoth +
Wireless Operator Sgt I. Illingworth +
Mid Upper Gunner Sgt W.A. Dunleavy RCAF
Rear Gunner Sgt H. McN. Gill +
Those killed are buried in Souilly Churchyard, France
Sgt Dunleavy was interned in Stalag 9C (Bad Orb)
ORR, Flying Officer (P) RICHARD HERBERT, J/20704, 78 (R.A.F.) Sqn Royal Canadian Air Force. 28 August 1943. Age 27. Son of Arthur Joseph and Bertha Jane Orr, of Underwood, Ontario, Canada. Grave Ref. Grave 3.
WILLIAMS, Sergeant (FE) ENOCH JONES, 1130519, 78 Sqn Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve. 28 August 1943. Age 22. Son of Thomas and Rebecca Williams, of Blaenrhondda, Glamorgan. Grave Ref. Grave 6.
GREGSON, Flying Officer (NAV) WILLIAM VICTOR, 131902, 78 Sqn Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve. 28 August 1943. Age 25. Son of William and Dorothy Gregson; husband of Sally Gregson, of Liverpool. Grave Ref. Grave 5.
WENMOTH, Sergeant (BA) PERCIVAL JACK, 997249, 78 Sqn Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve. 28 August 1943. Age 24. Son of Mr. and Mrs. C. P. Wenmoth, of Whalley Range, Manchester. Grave Ref. Grave 2.
ILLINGWORTH, Sergeant (WOP/AG) IRVINE, 1079192, 78 Sqn Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve. 28 August 1943. Grave Ref. Grave 1.
GILL, Sergeant (RG) HECTOR MCNEILL, 613186, 78 Sqn Royal Air Force. 28 August 1943. Age 24. Son of John McNeill Gill and Catherine McNeill Gill, of Campbelltown, Argyllshire; husband of Verbena Ruth Gill. Grave Ref. Grave 4.
Hope this is of use?
Kind Regards
Halifaxman
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World War Two / Re: Halifax Bombers Collide Tickton Nr Beverley 24/08/1943
« on: Monday 21 October 13 14:37 BST (UK) »
Further detailed information on this loss is as follows
On 24 Aug 1943, 78 Sqn were among many units of Bomber Command detailed to attack Berlin. This raid saw 78 Sqn suffer one of its worst nights of the war (albeit not the worst!!) Two Halifax were shot over Europe and a third ditched in the North Sea on its return flight. As the rest of the Sqn approached the Humber Estuary poor visibility at their home base of Breighton led to all remaining 78 Sqn aircraft being ordered to divert to nearby Leconfield. Tragically whilst awaiting their turn to land, two further Halifax collided and crashed at Hull Bridge nr Tickton at 0430 with the loss of 14 crew. There was one survivor
The two aircraft involved were;
BB373 EY~K "Rothman K~King" (All crew killed)
Pilot Sgt G.G. Bell RNZAF
2nd (U/T) Pilot F/Sgt R.R. Gilbert
Flight Engineer Sgt A.E. Lester
Navigator P/O E. Platt
Bomb Aimer Sgt W.L. Clarke
Wireless Operator Sgt A. Lee
Mid Upper Gunner Sgt D.C.M. Walton RAAF
Rear Gunner Sgt R.B. Fletcher
JB874 EY~E "Rothman E~Easy" (One survivor)
Pilot F/O C.J. Keirl +
Flight Engineer Sgt E.B.F. Scorey +
Navigator F/O H.W. Baylis +
Bomb Aimer Sgt H.R. Jones +
Wireless Operator Sgt C.H. Hilton +
Mid Upper Gunner Sgt F. Roberts +
Rear Gunner Sgt J. Greet Seriously Injured
Sgt Greet was admitted to Beverley Base Hospital, suffering from fractures to the base of the skull and right femur. So serious were these injuries that nearly five years were to pass before he had fully recovered. When their daughter was born Sgt Greet and his wife christened her ~ Beverley!
I am in contact with a lady who lives in nearby Beverley. Despite having no connection with either Bomber Command or 78 Sqn, every year on 24th August, she places flowers on the grave of F/O Kierl who lies in Beverley Cemetery in a extremely kind gesture of remembrance
The memorial was dedicated and unveiled on the 24th August 2013 - 70 years to the day since the tragedy occurred
78 Sqn personnel were in attendance for the dedication as was a relative of F/Sgt Gilbert the u/t pilot on BB373 EY~K "Rothman K~King"
Hope this is of interest
Rgds
Halifaxman
"Nemo Non Paratus" ~ Nobody Unprepared
78 Sqn motto
On 24 Aug 1943, 78 Sqn were among many units of Bomber Command detailed to attack Berlin. This raid saw 78 Sqn suffer one of its worst nights of the war (albeit not the worst!!) Two Halifax were shot over Europe and a third ditched in the North Sea on its return flight. As the rest of the Sqn approached the Humber Estuary poor visibility at their home base of Breighton led to all remaining 78 Sqn aircraft being ordered to divert to nearby Leconfield. Tragically whilst awaiting their turn to land, two further Halifax collided and crashed at Hull Bridge nr Tickton at 0430 with the loss of 14 crew. There was one survivor
The two aircraft involved were;
BB373 EY~K "Rothman K~King" (All crew killed)
Pilot Sgt G.G. Bell RNZAF
2nd (U/T) Pilot F/Sgt R.R. Gilbert
Flight Engineer Sgt A.E. Lester
Navigator P/O E. Platt
Bomb Aimer Sgt W.L. Clarke
Wireless Operator Sgt A. Lee
Mid Upper Gunner Sgt D.C.M. Walton RAAF
Rear Gunner Sgt R.B. Fletcher
JB874 EY~E "Rothman E~Easy" (One survivor)
Pilot F/O C.J. Keirl +
Flight Engineer Sgt E.B.F. Scorey +
Navigator F/O H.W. Baylis +
Bomb Aimer Sgt H.R. Jones +
Wireless Operator Sgt C.H. Hilton +
Mid Upper Gunner Sgt F. Roberts +
Rear Gunner Sgt J. Greet Seriously Injured
Sgt Greet was admitted to Beverley Base Hospital, suffering from fractures to the base of the skull and right femur. So serious were these injuries that nearly five years were to pass before he had fully recovered. When their daughter was born Sgt Greet and his wife christened her ~ Beverley!
I am in contact with a lady who lives in nearby Beverley. Despite having no connection with either Bomber Command or 78 Sqn, every year on 24th August, she places flowers on the grave of F/O Kierl who lies in Beverley Cemetery in a extremely kind gesture of remembrance
The memorial was dedicated and unveiled on the 24th August 2013 - 70 years to the day since the tragedy occurred
78 Sqn personnel were in attendance for the dedication as was a relative of F/Sgt Gilbert the u/t pilot on BB373 EY~K "Rothman K~King"
Hope this is of interest
Rgds
Halifaxman
"Nemo Non Paratus" ~ Nobody Unprepared
78 Sqn motto
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World War Two / Re: 582 Squadron
« on: Sunday 20 October 13 21:20 BST (UK) »
From Chorleys . . .
Lancaster MkIII NE166 60~D D~Dog
The crew were briefed to attack a coastal battery at Longues. The ATD from Little Staunton was 0303
The aircraft was lost without trace. The crew have no known grave and are all commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial
P S/L A.W. Raybould DSO DFM +
FE F/O G.L. Ramsey +
N F/L A. Feeley AFC +
BA F/O A.H. Grange RCAF +
WOP W/O H. Kitto DFM +
MUG P/O J.N. Papworth DFC +
RG F/L D. Johnson DFC +
Hope this helps?
Halifaxman
Sleaford
Lancaster MkIII NE166 60~D D~Dog
The crew were briefed to attack a coastal battery at Longues. The ATD from Little Staunton was 0303
The aircraft was lost without trace. The crew have no known grave and are all commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial
P S/L A.W. Raybould DSO DFM +
FE F/O G.L. Ramsey +
N F/L A. Feeley AFC +
BA F/O A.H. Grange RCAF +
WOP W/O H. Kitto DFM +
MUG P/O J.N. Papworth DFC +
RG F/L D. Johnson DFC +
Hope this helps?
Halifaxman
Sleaford
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World War Two / Re: a WW2 grave
« on: Wednesday 25 July 12 22:50 BST (UK) »
For info
NB: RAF Innsworth* closed approx 5 years ago. RAF Cranwell assumed control of disclosures work and the PMA no longer exists . . .
*Now Imjin Barracks home to the (multi national) ARRC (Allied Rapid Reaction Corps)
Kind Regards
Halifaxman
NB: RAF Innsworth* closed approx 5 years ago. RAF Cranwell assumed control of disclosures work and the PMA no longer exists . . .
*Now Imjin Barracks home to the (multi national) ARRC (Allied Rapid Reaction Corps)
Kind Regards
Halifaxman
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World War Two / Re: LAC rank?
« on: Thursday 05 July 12 07:29 BST (UK) »
Bykerlads
The crest is No 78 (Bomber) Sqn, Royal Air Force and Nemo Non Paratus ~ Nobody Unprepared is the Sqn Motto
Hope this answers your question?
Kind Regards
Halifaxman
The crest is No 78 (Bomber) Sqn, Royal Air Force and Nemo Non Paratus ~ Nobody Unprepared is the Sqn Motto
Hope this answers your question?
Kind Regards
Halifaxman
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World War Two / Re: LAC rank?
« on: Monday 02 July 12 18:37 BST (UK) »
Some one serving in Bomber Command as an LAC would definately have been ground staff - of which the actual trade possibilities run into multiples
There is a slim possibility that he may have gone on to greater things (i.e. aircrew duties) if he was either selected or volunteered - assuiming he successfully passed all the neccessary requirements
There is a slim possibility that he may have gone on to greater things (i.e. aircrew duties) if he was either selected or volunteered - assuiming he successfully passed all the neccessary requirements
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World War Two / Re: LAC rank?
« on: Monday 02 July 12 07:07 BST (UK) »
LAC = Leading Aircraftman (no "S")
Topcliffe is in North Yorkshire and from mid WWII to VE Day was part of No 6 (Canadian) Group Bomber Command
Although the RAF still use the airfield side of this base, it is currently an Army base known as Alanbrooke Barracks
Hope this helps?
Halifaxman
Topcliffe is in North Yorkshire and from mid WWII to VE Day was part of No 6 (Canadian) Group Bomber Command
Although the RAF still use the airfield side of this base, it is currently an Army base known as Alanbrooke Barracks
Hope this helps?
Halifaxman
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World War Two / Re: RAF locations
« on: Monday 14 May 12 19:34 BST (UK) »
No 1 SOTT (School of Technical Training) was RAF Halton, Bucks
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Halifaxman
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Halifaxman
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