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Kilkenny / Re: Ann Farrell, convict
« on: Wednesday 11 May 16 14:51 BST (UK) »
That's been a problem Rathmore. I would assume it is Elizabeth and Catherine, but what about Eliza, Katherine, Kathryn, etc...
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Kilkenny / Re: Ann Farrell, convict
« on: Monday 09 May 16 07:08 BST (UK) »
Hi Panlewis & Maggsie,
Thanks for your information. I have come to the same conclusion about William Lewis Panlewis. I had found a few convicts of the same name, but your information about the house being called Minerva throws a new light on the matter. Would you possibly know who the family in the photo were?
Maggsie, I did look up your information about the Farrell girls some time ago. Thank you. It seems I may never be able to come up with any conclusive evidence, but they definitely could be mine. I have not been able to find any records for Betty Armstrong and Kitty McDonnell here in Australia, despite the shipping records stating that these two sisters of hers arrived as prisoners 5 or 6 years before. There are a few of similar names that I have found, but once again nothong too convincing.
Thanks again for all your help.
Thanks for your information. I have come to the same conclusion about William Lewis Panlewis. I had found a few convicts of the same name, but your information about the house being called Minerva throws a new light on the matter. Would you possibly know who the family in the photo were?
Maggsie, I did look up your information about the Farrell girls some time ago. Thank you. It seems I may never be able to come up with any conclusive evidence, but they definitely could be mine. I have not been able to find any records for Betty Armstrong and Kitty McDonnell here in Australia, despite the shipping records stating that these two sisters of hers arrived as prisoners 5 or 6 years before. There are a few of similar names that I have found, but once again nothong too convincing.
Thanks again for all your help.
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Armed Forces / Re: Major John Edwards
« on: Tuesday 11 November 14 23:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ken,
I have downloaded copies of the army lists from the archives. There is no index for 1759-61 which makes it hard but I'm slowly trying to go through them all.
My John Edwards was born about 1743, so there definitely was time for him to have a number of careers. I have a feeling he may have been on half pay and was resurrected in 1775 to fight in the American war...in which case the other John Edwards is not him. The half pay lists do not seem to list everyone on half pay, so I'm wondering if they are only included in the year they first went on to half pay.
I might concentrate on the 1775 LG...although I have looked and have had no luck so far.
Thanks so much for your input!
Mel
I have downloaded copies of the army lists from the archives. There is no index for 1759-61 which makes it hard but I'm slowly trying to go through them all.
My John Edwards was born about 1743, so there definitely was time for him to have a number of careers. I have a feeling he may have been on half pay and was resurrected in 1775 to fight in the American war...in which case the other John Edwards is not him. The half pay lists do not seem to list everyone on half pay, so I'm wondering if they are only included in the year they first went on to half pay.
I might concentrate on the 1775 LG...although I have looked and have had no luck so far.
Thanks so much for your input!
Mel
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Armed Forces / Re: Major John Edwards
« on: Wednesday 05 November 14 23:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ken,
I'm having trouble deciding whether these two John Edwards's are the same man. Can you help? A book by Colonel H C Wylly thinks they are. The basis of this seems to be that one man disappears from the army list after 1775. The other appears in 1775. I initially thought they were but now I think this may be a mistake. I have taken these dates and regiments for these two John Edwards's from the army lists:
1. John Edwards:
Ensign 53rd foot Date in army 7 Nov 1759. Listed 1759-1764
Lieut 53rd foot 1766-1773
Captain 53rd foot 1 April 1773-75.
2. John Edwards:
Lieutenancy in army 22 Oct 1761 ? regiment
Lieut 45th 15 Aug 1775
Capt 75th 23 Jan 1778-1784
Capt 40th foot 25 Sept 1787 "from half pay."
Major 95th foot 30 Oct 1793. Appears in 1794 list but is not in 1775.
I think that this is my John Edwards. From my research, I know that a newspaper article dated 1796 states that he 'was a major but had sold his commission.' I know from other research that this article refers to my John Edwards.
The problem is that the first 'date in army' for one John Edwards was 1759, whereas for the second it is 1761. The first John Edwards was also not promoted to Lieutenant until 1766, whereas the second held his lieutenancy since 1761.
Another document from the 'Canada, British Regimental Registers of Service, 1756-1900' confirms that the second John Edwards (of the 75th) had attained his first Lieutenancy 22 Oct 1761.
Could a mistake have been made? Could these two still be the same man? I can't find any other John Edwards's prior to 1775 that would fit the bill.
Mel
I'm having trouble deciding whether these two John Edwards's are the same man. Can you help? A book by Colonel H C Wylly thinks they are. The basis of this seems to be that one man disappears from the army list after 1775. The other appears in 1775. I initially thought they were but now I think this may be a mistake. I have taken these dates and regiments for these two John Edwards's from the army lists:
1. John Edwards:
Ensign 53rd foot Date in army 7 Nov 1759. Listed 1759-1764
Lieut 53rd foot 1766-1773
Captain 53rd foot 1 April 1773-75.
2. John Edwards:
Lieutenancy in army 22 Oct 1761 ? regiment
Lieut 45th 15 Aug 1775
Capt 75th 23 Jan 1778-1784
Capt 40th foot 25 Sept 1787 "from half pay."
Major 95th foot 30 Oct 1793. Appears in 1794 list but is not in 1775.
I think that this is my John Edwards. From my research, I know that a newspaper article dated 1796 states that he 'was a major but had sold his commission.' I know from other research that this article refers to my John Edwards.
The problem is that the first 'date in army' for one John Edwards was 1759, whereas for the second it is 1761. The first John Edwards was also not promoted to Lieutenant until 1766, whereas the second held his lieutenancy since 1761.
Another document from the 'Canada, British Regimental Registers of Service, 1756-1900' confirms that the second John Edwards (of the 75th) had attained his first Lieutenancy 22 Oct 1761.
Could a mistake have been made? Could these two still be the same man? I can't find any other John Edwards's prior to 1775 that would fit the bill.
Mel
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Australia / Re: Anyone got access to "Gravestone Inscriptions Sydney Burial Ground"?
« on: Tuesday 09 September 14 22:52 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much Cass & Fran. It's a shame they're not in the book. I'll try Rookwood, Fran. Thanks for the tip. Mel
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Australia / Re: Anyone got access to "Gravestone Inscriptions Sydney Burial Ground"?
« on: Tuesday 09 September 14 07:42 BST (UK) »
Hello everyone,
I was wondering if I could request a look up as well. I am looking for:
John Hampden Edwards d. 14 Dec 1843, buried 15th Dec
Georgiana Elfrida Edwards d. 15 May 1853, buried 17th May
John Henry Edwards d. 14 Nov 1841, buried 16th Nov
Frederick Robert Edwards d. 12 March 1842
I do not know where they were buried but I am assuming it was the Devonshire St Cemetery.
Thanks so much in advance. Mel
I was wondering if I could request a look up as well. I am looking for:
John Hampden Edwards d. 14 Dec 1843, buried 15th Dec
Georgiana Elfrida Edwards d. 15 May 1853, buried 17th May
John Henry Edwards d. 14 Nov 1841, buried 16th Nov
Frederick Robert Edwards d. 12 March 1842
I do not know where they were buried but I am assuming it was the Devonshire St Cemetery.
Thanks so much in advance. Mel
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Armed Forces / Re: Major John Edwards
« on: Saturday 06 September 14 16:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Ken, Thank you so, so much! I had not seen the gazette article before. I also find it strange those men are not found anywhere else. Just one question, since you seem to know army lists better. Does 'Date in army' mean first date signed? or does it mean first date for that rank? This is important, because I had assumed 'date in army' meant first date signed/enlisted. Is this not so?
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Armed Forces / Re: Major John Edwards
« on: Friday 05 September 14 13:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Ken,
Thanks so much! My terminology could be wrong...I said enlistment, but what I meant was that 'Date in Army' on the list was different. Could be the date of the first commission. Sorry, not all that great with respect to army lists! Mel
Thanks so much! My terminology could be wrong...I said enlistment, but what I meant was that 'Date in Army' on the list was different. Could be the date of the first commission. Sorry, not all that great with respect to army lists! Mel
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Armed Forces / Major John Edwards
« on: Friday 05 September 14 12:38 BST (UK) »
Hello everyone. I have been searching the British Army lists for my ancestor, John Edwards. I know he was a Major in the army who sold his commission prior to 1796. I have come across a couple of contenders, but I also need some help.
The man I think is mine enlisted as a Lieutenant 22 Oct 1761 (date from later lists)? Regiment. Lieutenant 45th foot 15th August 1775. 23rd Jan 1778- Captain 75th foot. Disbanded 1783. 25th September 1787- Captain 40th foot. 30th October 1793- Major 95th foot.
The list for the 45th in 1775 has a handwritten notation at the bottom of the page which reads: 11: Co Capt. H ? Powlett, Lt John Edwards...do, Ens. Hon Hawby, all dated 15th August 1775. I can not figure out what this means. The same notation '11:Co' appears on the bottom of a number of other regiments' lists as well. What does it mean? Can anyone help?
There is a John Edwards of the 53rd foot who disappears after 1775, but his date of enlistment is different, as are ranks. ? Same man. Many thanks. Mel
The man I think is mine enlisted as a Lieutenant 22 Oct 1761 (date from later lists)? Regiment. Lieutenant 45th foot 15th August 1775. 23rd Jan 1778- Captain 75th foot. Disbanded 1783. 25th September 1787- Captain 40th foot. 30th October 1793- Major 95th foot.
The list for the 45th in 1775 has a handwritten notation at the bottom of the page which reads: 11: Co Capt. H ? Powlett, Lt John Edwards...do, Ens. Hon Hawby, all dated 15th August 1775. I can not figure out what this means. The same notation '11:Co' appears on the bottom of a number of other regiments' lists as well. What does it mean? Can anyone help?
There is a John Edwards of the 53rd foot who disappears after 1775, but his date of enlistment is different, as are ranks. ? Same man. Many thanks. Mel