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Nottinghamshire / Re: walker family eastwood hall
« on: Thursday 26 April 12 22:24 BST (UK) »
OK thanks - that's probably not relevant then
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Nottinghamshire / Re: walker family eastwood hall
« on: Wednesday 25 April 12 23:48 BST (UK) »
I checked out the Eleanore Harington marriage - but it was in 1880 - so does not fit with the 1881 census record as she and Herbert would have been married by then. Unless they married secretly!
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Nottinghamshire / Re: walker family eastwood hall
« on: Wednesday 25 April 12 23:09 BST (UK) »
Dave - thanks so much for the offer to answer questions.
Yes - I also found the 1881 census record where Eleanor Harrington was a boarder in the Edwards household in East Grinstead. I did find the death of an Eleanor Harrington (born in 1851) in Kensington in 1912. (I said it was Emma Harrington in my earlier post yesterday - but it IS Eleanor) However that would not make as much sense if she married Herbert Thomas Edwards. I will try to check out that possible marriage.
I do have one question about Rhinefield. I did not think this belonged to the Munro family when Mabel and Edward married (although it might have) because they were from Lindertis in Scotland (Edward Lionel was the brother of the famous Munro who climbed all the mountains) and had a house in Eaton Square in London, where they can be found in the census records. Histories of Rhinefield say that it was given to Mabel by her father when she married - but it belonged to the Crown until 1877 by which time, as we know, her father was dead. Could it have been bought by his executors as an investment I wonder and passed to her when she gained control of her inheritance?
Do you know what happened to Mabel between 1871 and 1887 when she married? I only have those two fixed points of the 1871 and 1881 census records.
Do you know the exact date of Eleanor's marriage to Thomas Walker in 1865? What was the cause of Thomas's death? Given how wealthy they were, why did Eleanor not remain at Eastwood Hall to bring up Mabel?
Any help with this would be much appreciated. I was not intending to write a book about the Walkers - but having visited Rhinefield (now a hotel) I was fascinated by the story of the original owners, particularly Mabel, and wanted to find out more. I think there is enough material for a book though!
Yes - I also found the 1881 census record where Eleanor Harrington was a boarder in the Edwards household in East Grinstead. I did find the death of an Eleanor Harrington (born in 1851) in Kensington in 1912. (I said it was Emma Harrington in my earlier post yesterday - but it IS Eleanor) However that would not make as much sense if she married Herbert Thomas Edwards. I will try to check out that possible marriage.
I do have one question about Rhinefield. I did not think this belonged to the Munro family when Mabel and Edward married (although it might have) because they were from Lindertis in Scotland (Edward Lionel was the brother of the famous Munro who climbed all the mountains) and had a house in Eaton Square in London, where they can be found in the census records. Histories of Rhinefield say that it was given to Mabel by her father when she married - but it belonged to the Crown until 1877 by which time, as we know, her father was dead. Could it have been bought by his executors as an investment I wonder and passed to her when she gained control of her inheritance?
Do you know what happened to Mabel between 1871 and 1887 when she married? I only have those two fixed points of the 1871 and 1881 census records.
Do you know the exact date of Eleanor's marriage to Thomas Walker in 1865? What was the cause of Thomas's death? Given how wealthy they were, why did Eleanor not remain at Eastwood Hall to bring up Mabel?
Any help with this would be much appreciated. I was not intending to write a book about the Walkers - but having visited Rhinefield (now a hotel) I was fascinated by the story of the original owners, particularly Mabel, and wanted to find out more. I think there is enough material for a book though!
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Nottinghamshire / Re: walker family eastwood hall
« on: Monday 23 April 12 22:53 BST (UK) »
Presumably Thomas Walker and James Davidson were friends or business colleagues (hence James's appointment as executor for Thomas). Eleanor must have met her second husband through Susan, his wife. Whether Mabel ever lived with her mother and Alexander Harrington after they married in 1876 we do not know - but by 1881 Mabel is living with Sarah, whose husband and brother are both dead. Odd that Mabel is described in the 1881 census as a cousin of Susan. Surely your brother's step-daughter would normally be described as a niece. Thank you so much for all your help!
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Nottinghamshire / Re: walker family eastwood hall
« on: Monday 23 April 12 20:15 BST (UK) »
I have found an Emma Harrington who died in Kensington in 1912, aged 61. Could that be her?
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Nottinghamshire / Re: walker family eastwood hall
« on: Monday 23 April 12 20:09 BST (UK) »
It get's more and more intriguing! So Mabel was not an orphan at all - for some reason her mother was side-lined. She did not inherit the Walker fortune when Thomas died and her 4 year-old daughter was taken away from her (or she abandoned her). Eleanor's name was then Harrington - which explains why I could not find a record of her death. And was she actually the daughter of Richard Bourne, or not? I do not yet have the exact date yet of her marriage to Thomas Walker but it was between 7 and 10 months from the birth of Mabel and it seemed odd that the wedding was in London when Thomas and Eleanor were both from Nottingham.
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Nottinghamshire / Re: walker family eastwood hall
« on: Monday 23 April 12 19:17 BST (UK) »
Ah - fantastic, thank you - that all fits. She was born Eleanor Glew (poss single mother?) then her mother subsequently married Richard Bourne so she become Eleanor Glew Bourne. So, just need to find out what happened to her when her husband died and the Walkers left Eastwood.
There are a couple of other surnames kicking about. Thomas's mother Emma's maiden name was Crawford. The Crawfords came from Ayrshire. There were three sisters, Emma, Julia and Frances. It was Frances that Mabel was living with in Teddington when Thomas died. By 1881, Mabel had returned to Nottingham, to Sneinton Hollows Manor House, to live with Susan Davidson who is described a cousin. She was the widow of James Davidson who was one of the executors of Thomas Walker's will.
There are a couple of other surnames kicking about. Thomas's mother Emma's maiden name was Crawford. The Crawfords came from Ayrshire. There were three sisters, Emma, Julia and Frances. It was Frances that Mabel was living with in Teddington when Thomas died. By 1881, Mabel had returned to Nottingham, to Sneinton Hollows Manor House, to live with Susan Davidson who is described a cousin. She was the widow of James Davidson who was one of the executors of Thomas Walker's will.
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Nottinghamshire / Re: walker family eastwood hall
« on: Monday 23 April 12 18:13 BST (UK) »
Hello - I realiseI am responding to a very old post - but are you an expert on the Walkers? I'm doing some research on Rhinefield in the New Forest, which is the house Mabel Zoe Walker built with the family money after marrying Edward Lionel Munro in 1887, when she was 21. I assume this is when she gained control of the estate from the trustees. I'm trying to solve the riddle of her parents' death though. Thomas Walker died in 1871, aged 25 though I'm not sure of what (I can order his death cert I guess). He had married a girl called Eleanor Glew Bourne in London in Q4 1865 when he was 19 and she was only 14. Mabel was born on July 30th 1866. The 1871 census (taken in late April) shows Thomas and Eleanor still living at Eastwood Hall - though Thomas then died on 11th May. By then, Mabel had already been shipped off to Thomas's Aunt Frances in Bushey Park (Teddington, Middlesex). The census records Eleanor as having been born in Notts in 1851 - though there is no record of an Eleanor Bourne's birth in Notts between 1850 and 1852. There is an Eleanor Glew in Radford in 1851, and another unnamed female Glew in Basford (registration district for Eastwood) also in 1851. This is perhaps the most likely entry, though I do not know how or why she acquired the maiden name 'Bourne' in that case. It is a mystery, because after the 1871 census Eleanor disappears. I cannot find any record of her death but, as I have found several references to Mabel being an orphan, presumably she did. Do you by any chance know what happened to her?
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