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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Look up please Robert BILL of Stone
« on: Thursday 23 July 15 01:05 BST (UK)  »
Robert Bill's obituary gives everything.  It was on 8th Dec 1827 in the Staffordshire Advertiser on page 3, column 2.  He married Sarah Perks, the daughter of an eminent solicitor and he died on 23 September 1827 of Angina Pectoris.  The article lists many of his inventions.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Brickwall - Eleonor Lander
« on: Wednesday 06 June 12 09:15 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

Wonderful to hear from you!

Major developments since I last wrote...

- Have found a thing called the "Cheshire Bishop's Transcript" (not scheduled on Ancestry.com) yesterday which specifically schedules the Christening of George Moseley Lander on 25th Sep 1809 to the parents George Lander and Alice (Gilbert) at Church Lawton in Cheshire.  Church Lawton is right on the border with Staffordshire and a particularly important place to the Gilberts.  This is a key town on the Trent-Mersey Canal which links to the Bridgewater Canal and was engineered by Brindley and his team.  Additionally, it stands on the main road notrth to Manchester from Litchfield where Thomas Gilbert was MP.  Hope to schedule photos of Church Lawton on Ancestry.com shortly.
- The court case of Gilbert versus Royd has revealed a list of Gilbert connections and the connection to the Royds.  This in turn has found invaluable links and allows the assemblage of much of the family tree as well as revealing that George Moseley Lander was one of 4 children.  In addition to John Gilbert Lander, there was also William Henry Lander who turns up living at 19 Prospect Place in Wolcot, now a suburb of Bath and who served in the Royal South Gloucester Light INfantry Regiment and also Lydia Lander who I have had little time to analyse.  Interestingly enough 19 Prospect Place is currently on the market for some 400,000 pounds and I have asked the agent for details to allow me to see actually the building where they lived.  Hope to schedule these on Ancestry.com also.
- Have traced why John Gilbert Lander does not appear on the 1841 Census ANYWHERE...He was in PRISON!!!  John went broke and was sent to the notorious Fleet Debtors' Prison in 1840, but left quite swiftly.  It had been around since the time of William the Conquerer, but was closed down shortly after 1840.  Since John looks to have been in a partnership with George Moseley Lander, it is hard to see how he would have escaped from being sent to Debtors' Jail too, but I have been unable to find him there and the UK Prison Service says that it does not have records that far back.
- Have also found a link to the Gould family whose most excellent web site http://www.natgould.org by the so called "Gould Diggers" schedules links of our family.
- New documents turned up in the 1990's and many of these are scheduled in a rare book that schedules comprehensive data INCLUDING the transcription of various Wills which are highly detailed, noting peoples relations.  I have now ordered this book from Amazon, (there being only two copies available) called, "Agents of Revolution" (Paperback) by Peter Lead (Author).  If I am correct, it will allow the family to be traced back to about 1400AD.
- Have also found evidence of a vicious split in the family in the early Nineteenth Century.  The railways meant uttter death to the canals and leading the charge against the railways in Parliament was the Duke of Bridgewater, HOWEVER, it appears that some of the descendents of the Gilberts used their fortune to help FINANACE the growing railway network in the UK, creating quite a serious rift.

Finally, the 94,000 DOLLAR QUESTION... The postcard that you have... I know from this end, speaking to my grandmother long ago that all three were together when they visited England during the First Wold War.  The key quesiot is WHERE did they visit.  A big clue to this, I believe is the POSTMARK franking the stamp on the corner.  COUld you advise what the POSTMARK says on it?

Best wishes
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London and Middlesex / Re: Brickwall - Eleonor Lander
« on: Monday 21 May 12 23:25 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

The post card would be of great interest to me.  The three Australian brothers visited my great grandfather's pub... except I am not sure which one.  What EXACTLY does the postcard say and what is the postmark?

Best wishes.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Brickwall - Eleonor Lander
« on: Monday 30 April 12 09:58 BST (UK)  »
BREAKTHROUGH!!!  ...On Susannah Cobb, moher of Elenor Inwood....=

Her place of birth was listed as Herestome.  There is no such place.  THis is an error in transposition.

It is HeresCOMBE.  Once this is replaced, the family of Cobb comes tumbling out.  THis could be a big lead for what you need to know.  Maybe Elenor is registered somewhere as staying with or visiting her grandparents.

Best wishes,

R

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London and Middlesex / Re: Brickwall - Eleonor Lander
« on: Thursday 26 April 12 20:10 BST (UK)  »
By the way, just explain, here in Canada, Ancestry.ca has biven people here 1 days trial membership and I'm trying to trace the entire family tree in that time, so I'm working 24/7 on it as a challenge!

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London and Middlesex / Re: Brickwall - Eleonor Lander
« on: Wednesday 25 April 12 23:08 BST (UK)  »
Major leap forward!  AM continuing to use the Ancestry.co.uk facilities and have gained access to others' trees.   By cross-referencing, I have dubiously driven the tree all the way back to 1625AD and Farley Hall.

You'll find my data under the tree there of THOMPSETT.

- R

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London and Middlesex / Re: Brickwall - Eleonor Lander
« on: Wednesday 25 April 12 07:19 BST (UK)  »
Incidentally, have you considered whether Elenor might have spent some time in Tsarist Russia, visiting Anne Lydia?

In case, you are not aware of the story...

In 1884, Lydia saw an advertisement in the newspaper for a nurse/governess to look after very young children for a British family in Russia. The post required 21 year old fully qualified nurse who was fluent in Russian and had several years experience working with children. 16 year old Lydia had none of these, in fact she thought one just adds "OV" onto the English to speak Russian. When she arrived in Petrograd, the only Russian that she had learnt was the instructions to a taxi driver "Droits Kopec" to reach the British Embassy where she would meet the family. Fortunately, they were delighted with her dedication and she stayed with the Hubbard family until 1889 in Sisselburg, which, coincidentally, was colour photographed at the time by a special photographer of the Tsar to record his Empire. (The photo is now accessible online). During my 1990 visit to the Lenin State Library ikn Moscow, I found the Hubbards listed, although, as was the custom at the time, the name was spelt "GUBBARD" as there is no Russian "H".

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London and Middlesex / Re: Brickwall - Eleonor Lander
« on: Wednesday 25 April 12 02:10 BST (UK)  »
Hugh Malet must gave had sources.  What were these?  They should be in the back of the book,

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London and Middlesex / Re: Brickwall - Eleonor Lander
« on: Wednesday 25 April 12 02:04 BST (UK)  »
Gilberts appear for generations before 1665AD, but the first possibly recognisable chain starts with Thomas and Mary Gilbert.

Children from a Thomas and Mary Gilbert are...

- Ann
- Mary (bapd 24/11/1678)
- Eliz? (bapd 20/10/1680)...This is reg'd two pages AFTER the 1681 baptisms
- JAMES (bapd 26/3/1681)
- John (bapd 11/1/1685)
- Joseph (bapd 7/3/1686)
- Hugh (bapd 21/4/1689)
- Daniel (bapt 26/7/1691)

Children from a Daniel and Ann Gilbert are...

- Thomas (bapd 5/10/1718)
- Ann (bapd 22/10/1721)

A Daniel Gilbert and Elizabeth then marry in 20/6/1732

Children from a JAMES and Isobel Gilbert are...

- William (bapd 4/9/1714)
- Hugh (bapd 2/5/1717)
- THOMAS (bapd 7/6/1719)
- Isobel (bapd 5/3/1721)
- JOSEPH (bapd 8/12/1724)
- Elizabeth (bapd 14/5/1726, apparently died 20/9/1729)
- Elizabeth (bapt 14/6/1731)

If Joseph Gilbert actually changed his name to John Gilbert, then this would be a precise match.

James as their father would have been about 33 years old at the time of his marriage to Isobel, if he were the son of Thomas and Ann Gilbert.

- R

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