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Limerick / Re: Johann Nicolaus Lorentz.
« on: Tuesday 25 March 08 13:50 GMT (UK)  »
Based on online information, Johann Nicolaus Lorentz, b. 1670, Kaiserslautern, The Palatinate, m. Margarth Ruckle.  The family was there, but it could have arrived there from somewhere else.  There were migrations from Germany, Alsace and Switzerland due to a population vaccum caused by The Thirty Years War.  At least, this is my understanding of the circumstances in and around Kaiserslautern.  It would be difficult to determine which church records were related to the family.  The family may have been either Catholics or Lutherans; and in Limerick they became Methodists.  The latter religion was carried by them into The American Colonies and Upper Canada (now Ontario) and Quebec for several generations.

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Limerick / Re: Johann Nicolaus Lorentz.
« on: Monday 24 March 08 19:36 GMT (UK)  »
 :) Thanks Christopher.  I am a a Patron of the IPA.  Howard

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Limerick / Re: LAWRENCE/LORENTZ.
« on: Thursday 28 February 08 16:37 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Christopher:

 :)
Thank you for the information on George Lawrence, 1853 valuation.  Since I have 15 George Lawrence names in my data, it appears to be a common given name in the family.  But I cannot be sure of a family connection in this regard. That is, I only have that basis to believe the person may be related.  However, in reviewing "County Limerick" for LAWRENCE up, and until 1853, I find, the following:  There are no known LAWRENCE persons of my family living there 1759.   So, I wonder who is this person?   ???

Howard


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Limerick / Re: Dulmage Family
« on: Sunday 25 December 05 20:09 GMT (UK)  »
Irish Palatines left for The American Colonies before The American Revolution.

John Lawrence, Sr.  m. 1775, New York, Margaret Switzer.
Their child, John Lawrence, Jr. m. Margaret Dulmage.
Another of their children, Agnes Lawrence m. Samuel Dulmage.

http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/Garden/4972/lawrence1.html Broken Link

LAWRENCE
From Nancy Williams:

From the book "History of New Oswegatchie and the Blue Church Cemetery 1780-1986" by Edwin A. Livingston:

John Lawrence (1742-1822) or (1756-1832) and his wife Margaret (1744-1807) are both buried there. Margaret was a widow of Philip Embury when she married John Lawrence. Her maiden name was Switzer. John Lawrence was born in Ireland of Palatine ancestry. He came to America with the Hecks and the Emburys. He left the U.S. for Canada in 1775 as a Loyalist. First he settled in Montreal where he was in the Commissary Dept. Then he settled in Augusta Township in 1785. Their four children were:
Elizabeth - married Robert Bickam of Wolford
Rebecca - married David Breakenridge Jr.
Agnes - married Samuel Dulmage
John

John Sr.'s dates may be wrong if the following is correct:
In Death Notices of Ontario by William D. Reid - from the Christian Guardian 1829-1835 - page 74

March 14, 1832
"In Edwardsburgh on Friday evening, 24th inst., John Lawrence, Sr., in the 76th year of his age. He came into Upper Canada in the year 1786 as a U.E. Loyalist and partollk of all the privations and hardships of the first settlers of this Province. He married the widow of the late Rev. Mr. Emory from the North of Ireland, the first Methodist Preacher that ever landed and formed a church at New York. His mother is still living in Kamaraska, L.C. [lower Canada = Quebec] aged 103 years (Grenville Gazette)"

In William Reid's "The Loyalists in Ontario - the Sons and Daughters of the American Loyalists in Upper Canada" I found:
Dulmage - Margaret, baptised March 11, 1792 married John Lawrence Jr. of Edwardsburgh.

And from "Leeds and Grenville - the first two hundred years" by Ruth McKenzie, page 78:

" Among the first [settlers] were the Methodists. Paul and Barbara Heck with their sons, along with John Lawrence, his wife (the former Margaret Switzer Embury) and their son Samuel Embury, settled in the Maynard area on the third concession of Augusta, in 1785. Twenty years earlier, Barbara Heck and Philip Embury had founded the first Methodist church in North America. Barbara Heck was born in Ireland in 1734. She and her husband, the Emburys and other Palatine Methodists, had gone to New York from Limerick, Ireland in 1760. Philip Embury had been their religious leader in Ireland, but in New York the people had drifted away and religious services were no longer held." Barbara Heck went to Philip Embury and pleaded with him to become their religious leader again.

"Soon after a congregation of five met in the Embury house to hear Philip preach. The members were his wife Margaret, Paul and Barbara Heck, John Lawrence and the Heck's servant..... The congregation increased in numbers and a few years later built the first Methodist chapel in America.
When the American Revolutionary War broke out, the Hecks and Emburys were living in Washington County, New York. Philip Embury died in 1775 as the result of an accident while mowing hay with a scythe. The rest of the family with the Hecks and John Lawrence left their prosperous farms and made their way to Montreal, where they remained for the duration of the war. In 1785 they decided to join some of their Loyalist friends who had settled in Augusta. By this time, Philip Embury's widow, Margaret, had become Mrs. John Lawrence."

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Limerick / Re: Dulmage Family
« on: Sunday 25 December 05 01:16 GMT (UK)  »
 :)These are definitely Irish Palatines from Limerick to the American Colonies.  And, there are intertwined marriages with SWITZER and LAWRENCE. Supported The Crown, and were exiled to Upper Canada at the time of The American Revolution. They were bringers of Methodism to The American Colonies and Upper Canada.

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Kerry / Re: BENNER.
« on: Monday 31 October 05 18:25 GMT (UK)  »
Peter (Laurence) Lawrence, Sr., b. 1704, Killiheen, Limerick, Ireland, m. 7OCT1765, Agnes Benner, Rathkeale, Courtmatress, Limerick, Ireland, d. 1763, Killiheen, Limerick, Ireland. She was b. 1731, Courtmatrix or Shehanagh, Limerick, Ireland, widowed and remarried 7 OCT 1765, Rathkeale,Courtmatress, Limerick, Ireland, Peter Miller, d. JUL1832, St. Armand, Quebec.  The son of Peter and Agnes is Loyalist Captain George Lawrence, Sr., Butler's Rangers, Fort Niagara, b. 26Mar1757, Shehanagh, Ballingrane, Limerick, Ireland, m. 1783 or 1775, Niagara, Canada West, Sarah Beacroft/Beacraft (various spellings), d. 5AUG1848, Virgil, Lawrenceville, near Niagara.

The parents of Agnes Benner are Paul Benner m. Elizabeth Ruttle. Paul Benner's father is Henry Benner.  More details are needed for them.

I hope to eventually contact any of her living relatives in County Kerry.  And as well, and a big order, I would like to contact any of my living relatives in Ireland.

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Donegal / John Joseph Albert MULVANY m. Elanore N. McCullagh
« on: Monday 27 June 05 18:22 BST (UK)  »
Joseph Albert MULVANY m. Elanore N. McCullagh, date unknown.
He is said to have been born in Donegal to the USA., but when, and where?

He was b. 30Apr1862, and died 23Sep1964, (possibly Berkeley), Alameda County, California.  She may have been born in 1864, Dublin, Ireland.

MCCALLAGH IS LIKELY THE CORRECT SPELLING OF THE NAME, but I am really unsure.

Her mother's name is ____ DARCY.

I would greatly appreciate any help on this family, especially in their Irish context.

My deepest gratitude is offerred.

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Dublin / Elizabeth GOGARTY m. James BURKE
« on: Monday 27 June 05 18:11 BST (UK)  »
Any additional information about Elizabeth GOGARTY (b. 1834) m. James BURKE (b. 1826) is desired, especially, B-M-D information.

She is the d/o Henry Edward Gogarty m. Margaret Oliver.

Her brother is Oliver Joseph St. John GOGARTY (1878-1957).

Elizabeth and James immigrated to the USA.

1860 : Possibly, Thompson, GEAUGA Co., Ohio

1870: Possibly, San Francisco, CALIFORNIA  11-WD SAN FRANCISCO
          Series: M593  Roll: 84  Page: 486
 
 Surname  GivenName  Age  Sex  Race  Birthplace  State  County  Location  Year
 BURKE  JAMES  43  M  W  IREL  CA  SAN FRANCISCO  11-WD SAN FRANCISCO  1870

1880:  http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
1880 United States Census:

James BURKE   Self   M   Male   W   54   IRE   Carpenter   IRE   IRE 
 Elizabeth BURKE   Wife   M   Female   W   46   IRE   Keeping House   IRE   IRE 
 William BURKE   Son   S   Male   W   26   NY   Laborer   IRE   IRE 
 Marguret BURKE   Dau   S   Female   W   19   NY   Works In Shoe Manf.   IRE   IRE  [Margaret]
 Julia BURKE   Dau   S   Female   W   17   NY   Works In Printing Ofs.   IRE   IRE 
 Elizabeth BURKE   Dau   S   Female   W   15   NY   At School   IRE   IRE 
 Mary BURKE   Dau   S   Female   W   13   NY   At Home   IRE   IRE  [Marie]

Thank you for any help offerred


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Dublin / Re: Oliver St. John Gogarty
« on: Thursday 23 June 05 15:19 BST (UK)  »
Unfortunately, I do not have the marriage date of Henry GOGARTY m. Margaret OLIVER. However, Elizabeth GOGARTY, one of their children, was born in 1834.  She married James BURKE; and they immigrated to the USA.

One of their earliest recorded children is William BURKE, b. 1859.  Another child, Marie BURKE, b. 1Aug1867, Ithaca, New York, m. Alexander Duncan McNIGHT, of Illinois, d. 27Dec1972, Benicia, California. He is found in the 1900 census of Seattle, King County, Washington:

MCKNIGHT  ALEXANDER 27 M W WA WA KING 206-WD; SEATTLE 1920

I met Marie BURKE. She was almost 100 years old at the time! I remember her as a very happy, and gentle, woman, being cared for by Leah Adelaide MacKNIGHT m. Alfred Roe? JOHNSON.  Adelaide is one of her daughters.

I have been told that some of that OLIVER family resided in San Francisco, California.

A son of Henry GOGARTY m. Margaret OLIVER, Oliver Joseph St. John Gogarty, b. 17Aug1878,  Rutland Square, Dublin, Ireland, m. c.1906, Dublin, Ireland, Martha Duane, d. 22Sep1957, New York, N.Y., buried, Ballinakill Graveyard, Ballinakill, Ireland.

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