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West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) / Re: Spalden/Spalding Kirkliston
« on: Friday 11 July 25 14:41 BST (UK)  »
Well it appears that the  marriage date was actually 11th June 1841 which is 5 days after the census. I have just  noticed that date in a couple of other trees but they had no supporting evidence. I had also previously  made a note in my tree referring to a post from an Ancestry member writing about the life of John Campbell and the date of marriage in that story, the marriage date was 11th June. So that explains that they were not married at the time of the census.

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West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) / Re: Spalden/Spalding Kirkliston
« on: Friday 11 July 25 14:28 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much for your very informative response. I very much appreciate it. I think it is just as I feared and the records I am searching for are simply missing. There are other missing records in that part of my tree. Some are there and some not.

I do know about the rounding down of ages on the 1841 census. I don't understand why they did that.  I simply deduced her date of birth from her age given on the schedule but I do appreciate it could be way out.

What I didn't consider is that the date of marriage I have, could be the first date of proclamation so that they may have married after the census. That does tie in with another family tree which claims that Christina's husband, John Campbell was living as a single man. That needs investigating. I haven't viewed the actual marriage entry so I will try to do that.

What I do know is that Alison, her siblings and Alison's children's baptisms are all included in the Church of Scotland records sets. I don't know anything at all about the Spalden/Spaldings or their religious beliefs but maybe this is why Christina and John's children are missing.

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West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) / Spalden/Spalding Kirkliston
« on: Friday 11 July 25 10:34 BST (UK)  »
I am hoping someone can help with some apparent missing Kirkliston records for Spalden/Spalding/Spaulden.

I recently discovered 2 DNA matches, sisters, who apparently share my great x 5 grandmother Alison Bryce born 1758 Kirkliston. Alison Bryce gave birth to my great x 4 grandfather, Thomas Bryce, illegitimately and he was  baptised on the 19th June 1781 in West Calder. 3 years later, she married James Spalden, on the 5th August 1784 in Kirkliston. They had at least 3 children - John Spalden,  baptised  5th June 1785 Kirkliston, William  20th July 1788 Kirkliston (recorded as Spadie)  and Margaret 1st October 1797 Kirkliston. I am aware that there is a big gap between William and Margaret - over 9 years, but they are the only ones I can find so they are confirmed children of James and Alison.

My matches apparently descend from the eldest son, John Spalden 1785 and his wife Agnes Johnston via daughter Christina Spalding 1822. Her date of birth is recorded as 18th February 1822 in Kirkliston but this was taken from her death certificate in Milwaukee and I am not sure if that is accurate. Christina married John Campbell born 1822, Falkirk and they migrated to Milwaukee in 1851

I have trawled through this suggested path and it all adds up perfectly. However, I cannot verify the last step. I cannot find the documentary evidence to 100% prove that Christina Spalding was the daughter of John Spalden 1785 who is the confirmed son of my great x 4 grandmother. I realise that this is a challenge.

John Spalden 1784 apparently married Agnes Johnston and she is listed as the mother of all the children on online trees but I cannot find any evidence of their marriage or baptisms of any of their children. I can only assume that there are huge gaps in the Kirkliston records.

This family did exist as they appear on the 1841 census living in ' detached house' in Kirkliston. John was a Labourer living with wife, Agnes and children - Eahson Spaldin 25 (Alison?), Margaret Spalding 25, Christen Spalding 15, David Spalding 10, Agnes Spalding 7 and Petter (Peter) 4 and Christos? Spalding aged 2 months. The census does not list if they are children or grandchildren.

Now the Christen Spalding, who I assumed was the Christina Spalding in question is recorded as being born in 1826 on the census, not 1822 but I am aware that the ages on the 1841 are not accurate. But, it cannot be her as Christina apparently married John Campbell on the 22nd May 1841 in Kirkliston and the 1841 Scottish census was taken on the 6th June. So, surely, she would appear on the 1841 census with her husband?

A possible explanation for this could be that Christina was a daughter of John Spalden from a previous marriage. Her death certificate records her mother as Christina Spalding.This could either be fact or pure conjecture by her family at the time of her death.

I also suspect that the Margaret Spalding on this census is not their daughter but the daughter of John Spalding's brother, William Spalding 1788 married to Helen Weston. Both his birth and death certificates prove his mother was Alison Bryce.

Does anyone know of anywhere else I can search for Kirkliston records other than Scotland's People, Ancestry, familysearch.org, Find My Past etc?

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Durham / Re: Seaham Harbour Inquest Mystery
« on: Saturday 19 October 24 19:38 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your input Alan,

So, it looks like there is going to be no further information from the newspaper entries.

Yes, hat is the 1871 census I have attached to Owen's wife Bridget.  She appears with her husband on the 1851 and 1861 censuses prior to that.

 In 1851 living at Back Terrace. Surname Mackmann. Owen was working as a Railway Labourer. Also living there are sons James and John and Hugh Wood along with several other lodgers and visitors.   I deduced Bridget was nee Woods as her son John, born 1849,  has a mother with maiden name Wood on the GRO Birth Index. He died shortly after the census.

In 1861, they were living at Malcolm's Yard. Owen is recorded as a Labourer. Also living there was son John aged 20, servant Mary A Wood and  boarders  Peter Woods and Peter Warren.

I worked out that Hugh Wood and Mary A Wood are the children of John Wood and Mary McNally. I have John Wood hypothetically as a brother of Bridget. They were living at North Terrace, Seaham Harbour in 1851 and John was also working as a Railway Labourer. They had children Rose, Margaret, Bernard, Hugh and Mary Ann. According to online trees, John Wood died in Durham about  1860, but I can't find any evidence of this and his wife took Bernard and Hugh to Pennsylvania, arriving in New York in 1865. Rose was already there, arriving 1863. Not sure about Margaret but her daughter was born there in 1869. Mary Ann ends up there but I don't know when.

I am wondering if Bridget went there herself and the death I have for her in 1882 is another Bridget.

Until recently, I had her on the 1861 census at another address, Back Rail Street, living with son John, his wife Sarah and his son John. So, if you put a search in for James McMann in that census, 3 come up, all living in Seaham Harbour. But, what I didn't realise, is that the Bridget on the one living at Back Rail Street was 10 years older than my Bridget so I think the death is more likely to be her.

Looks like I've hit a brick wall.

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Durham / Re: Seaham Harbour Inquest Mystery
« on: Saturday 19 October 24 16:23 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for this. At least a bit more. It explains the job he was doing.

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Durham / Seaham Harbour Inquest Mystery
« on: Saturday 19 October 24 15:17 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to positively identify my husband's great x 3 grandfather who I believe to be Owen McMann or McMahon born about 1809 Ireland and died on the 20th March 1871 Seaham Harbour.

I base this theory on the fact that my husband's great, great grandmother, Elizabeth McMahon,  is recorded on her marriage as spinster, full age of Seaham Harbour daughter of Owen McMann Labourer. His great grandmother, Mary Cavannah,  is recorded on her baptism as being child of Edward Cavanagh and Elizabeth nee McMahon. There are several McMahons and McManns and other spellings in the census records living in the Sunderland and Easington  area  so it seems the surname is subjected to a variety of spellings. However, he does seem to be the only Owen McMann living in Seaham Harbour and the census records show he was a labourer. 

I purchased Owen McMann's death certificate hoping that it would yield some information such as address and who was the informant as  I need to establish if his wife, who I believe to be Bridget Woods, was living or deceased at the time. I have a death for her after Owen's death date,  which I now believe may  be another Bridget. However, the certificate revealed that he had been killed accidentally by being run over by a truck. The address was just Seaham Harbour and the informant was the coroner - Crofton Maynard. So I looked on Find My Past to see if there was anything in the newspapers about it and all they have is a very brief article in the Newcastle Journal on the 23rd March 1871 re the inquest held on the 22nd March 1871. It states that the accident happened at the chemical works and referred to the incident being reported in 'yesterday's impression' which would be the 22nd March. I cannot seem to be able to find this article which may give more information. Even his burial record does not record his address.

Does anyone have any advice about how I can find this newspaper article or the Inquest report itself.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Uploading Raw DNA to Another Site
« on: Saturday 02 March 24 10:46 GMT (UK)  »
Well, I managed to upload my cousin's DNA to My Heritage. I also manage my husband's and parent's kits on there and other sites and they are all under their own name and with their permission. I understand as a manager, I am permitted to download DNA.

It tool a few attempts but I think that was due to problems on Ancestry website. Eventually, it downloaded in seconds and only took a couple of minutes to upload it to MY Heritage.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Uploading Raw DNA to Another Site
« on: Friday 01 March 24 15:03 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you. We did think of this and he did forward the email but not before clicking on the download first therefore initiating the download to his own files. We are going to try again soon.

Many thanks for your response.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Uploading Raw DNA to Another Site
« on: Friday 01 March 24 10:00 GMT (UK)  »
I manage my cousin's DNA results. He is keen to upload to another site to increase the chances of new matches. He wants me to do it but I am unable to download the raw DNA as the download instructions are apparently being sent to him. This means that it will be downloaded into his files and not mine. Therefore, I will be unable to do the upload to the chosen site. Any ideas how to get around this.

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