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These stupid 'traits' are the reason some cousins actually refused to take a DNA test, that would have been very valuable to my tree. They expressed fear at the 'data' being collected, and not wanting to know what they might die of.

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Ireland / Re: Deciphering a parish marriage dispensation for Little Bray
« on: Saturday 09 November 24 17:08 GMT (UK)  »
There might be a cousin connection, but the evidence is slight. Jane's mother Mary Lacey may have been the same Mary Leasy, sponsor at the 1816 baptism of Peter's sister Bridget Kearney. If so, Mary Lacey was probably connected, hence Peter and Jane may have been 2nd cousins. Probably won't find any registers early enough to verify it.

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Ireland / Re: Deciphering a parish marriage dispensation for Little Bray
« on: Saturday 09 November 24 12:46 GMT (UK)  »
I asked some cousins, and their best guess is that Peter and Jane were somehow related. Peter's grandparents were Nicholas Kearney and Bridget Gorman, married in 1780. Haven't found grandparents for Jane Toole. There were Tooles living at the foot of Carrickgollogan, near the Kearneys, but Jane appears to have come from Bray Town, and there is a James Toole, probably her father, living in a lane off the Main Street.

Another suggestion, grasping at straws: Peter's father, also Peter Kearney (1787-1870) received the lands of some other families who were evicted in 1862 by the notorious evicting landlord Charles Compton Domville. One of those evicted was a Molly Toole, who I am sure was Mary Neill, married to Morgan Toole, probably deceased by the time of the evictions. I wonder was there animosity at Peter Kearney for having received the Toole land? I can't find a likely connection. Morgan Toole had a brother James Toole born in 1806, a little too young to be the father of Jane Toole in 1823, whose sister was born in 1819.

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Ireland / Re: Deciphering a parish marriage dispensation for Little Bray
« on: Saturday 09 November 24 01:59 GMT (UK)  »
I just Googled Edward McCabe - apparently his parish was Monkstown/Glasthule from 1865-1879, so he was quite local, although the 1879 marriage was in Little Bray.

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Ireland / Re: Deciphering a parish marriage dispensation for Little Bray
« on: Saturday 09 November 24 01:52 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all so much for all this. It seems that Peter Kearney required very special dispensation since the Vicar Capitular got involved!

You have assumed from the start that the issue was on Peter's side. Why?
Couldn't it equally have been on Jane's side?

It could, of course. I have searched for other earlier marriages, but found none. I will keep looking. But thank you so much for your very useful input!

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Ireland / Re: Deciphering a parish marriage dispensation for Little Bray
« on: Saturday 09 November 24 01:28 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all so much for all this. It seems that Peter Kearney required very special dispensation since the Vicar Capitular got involved!

I would love to know why. I cannot find anything about his appearance in the US in 1850, or when he left or returned. All I have is one US Census, and that only because by chance his brother Nicholas is there too.

I wonder if his time in America influenced this, or something else? I haven't found any other marriage.

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Ireland / Re: Deciphering a parish marriage dispensation for Little Bray
« on: Saturday 09 November 24 01:23 GMT (UK)  »
There was another Catholic chapel at Crinken also in this older parish - now long gone, right beside the village of Shankill where this  Kearney/Carney family lived.

The Catholic chapel at Crinken dated from 1810 to 1837, before being replaced by St.Peter's in Little Bray. In this case, it looks like Cabinteely was probably the chapel used.

*EDIT* I made a mistake, 1822 was Peter's baptism, his father was baptised in 1787, so Crinken could also have been the chapel.

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Ireland / Re: Deciphering a parish marriage dispensation for Little Bray
« on: Friday 08 November 24 16:51 GMT (UK)  »
Peter Kearney was baptised in Kingstown 1822, making him age 57 at marriage. Jane Toole was 55. She was a Catholic from Bray.

Peter Kearney appears in one US Census in 1850, in Northampton, Hampshire, Massachusetts. He is living at the same address as his brother Nicholas Kearney, and Nicholas's wife Sarah. However, he did inherit his father's farm in Shankill by 1870, so was back in Ireland by then. This temporary emigration may be why he married late, but I wondered if the marriage dispensation may have offered a clue to things.

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Ireland / Deciphering a parish marriage dispensation for Little Bray
« on: Friday 08 November 24 03:02 GMT (UK)  »
I am interested in the second marriage record on the attached page from the Catholic Parish Registers at the NLI for Little Bray, no.195, Peter Kearney and Jane Toole.

There is a Dispensation note on columns 7 and 8 which is practically illegible. I wonder if anyone more familiar with these dispensations might make a good guess at what it says? Peter and Jane married late in life, and it seems that Peter emigrated to the US in 1850, but returned to Ireland, where he inherited his father's farm. His emigration led to him marrying late, and I wondered if the dispensation might offer any more information.  Many thanks.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633819#page/24/mode/1up

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