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Cumberland / Re: One of my brickwalls - Isabella PAPE
« on: Wednesday 31 October 07 08:38 GMT (UK)  »
Replies to Messages No 6 and 7

I agree my mistake, it was Wilfred Thompson an Isabella Pape (not mine !) married in Wigton in 1880, his wife Isabella was from Holme Cultram.

Indeed my Isabella (1846) was the daughter of John Whitfield and Mary Whitfield (nee Beeby) one of 11 children born to the couple.  Father John was born Haltwhistle and his wife Mary Cumwhitton.

They are on the 1841 census at Seaton Iron Works.

My Isabella seems to have disappeared after 1871 but I won't give up !

Thanks for everyone's interest.

Regards, Pauline

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Cumberland / Re: One of my brickwalls - Isabella PAPE
« on: Tuesday 30 October 07 20:46 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Bon and Geoff2
I think I may have answered the query, in that an Isabella Pape married a Robert Porteous and these are the further records you have found and I thank you.
I have found the Isabella Pape married to the Robert Porteous and altho'the  names of the children are family names can discount her as she was born Holme Coultran Cumberland and going back to the 1871 there is indeed an Isabella Pape there born Holme Coultram.
So for me back to the drawing board !
Regards Pauline Thomas and thanks for your interest.

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Cumberland / Re: One of my brickwalls - Isabella PAPE
« on: Tuesday 30 October 07 20:41 GMT (UK)  »
Message for Geoff E
Thanks Geoff E, I have l read lookeed ino the marriage of an Isabella Pape Wigton 1880 and found she married a Wilfred Thompson in 1880.   Looking  at the 1891 she was born Holme Cultram and going back to the 1871 there was an Isabella Pape born Holme Cultram who seems to fit the bill, she was a daughter. So not my Isabella who on the 1871 was a widow.  Thanks for your help and interest.
Regards Pauline Thomas

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Australia / Re: Joseph WHITFIELD
« on: Sunday 28 October 07 10:54 GMT (UK)  »
Sue
His brother was William Whitfield, he was a sea captain and probably arrived Australia in the mid 1860's, he travelled all over Australia in his career and married in Mittagong 1879.  A relative in Australia did all hi research but she never came across a Joseph unfortunately.
Regards Pauline

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Australia / Re: Joseph WHITFIELD
« on: Sunday 28 October 07 08:57 GMT (UK)  »
Trish
Thanks so much for the useful link - I will give it a go.

No the death you found is not him - his parents were a John Whitfield and Mary Whitfield (nee Beeby).

I'm grateful for your input.

Regards Pauline

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Australia / Re: Joseph WHITFIELD
« on: Sunday 28 October 07 07:55 GMT (UK)  »
Jen
Thank you so much for this - you have found something which I have been searching for for quite a while, I've looked at Passenger Lists to Australia as I have a hunch he went there to join his brother William.  Is there any way that I could find who this Joseph's parents were - where could I apply for a marriage certificate (I live in England by the way).
I'll do a bit of digging on the Internet today to see what I can find.
No the names are not family names apart from Joseph of course, but he did have a brother William.
It could be (if this marriage is the right one) that Letitia not knowing of a death had to wait at least 7 years for him (Joseph) to be presumed dead and this is why she waited until 1886 to marry Joseph's cousin John even though her and John had several children before marriage. 
This has been a complicated family to sort out and I still have a few brickwalls but I'd love to find my great Grandfather Joseph.
I'm grateful for your help.  Regards Pauline

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Australia / Re: Joseph WHITFIELD
« on: Sunday 28 October 07 07:49 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Suzard
Thanks for your message, yes these are the other two sons in the Workhouse, one (Richard) was my Grandfather but the Workhouse Records which I have seen show no mention of Whitfield unfortunately. They were reunited with their mother on the 1891 census, after she remarried (actually to a cousin of my great Grandfather Joseph).  It has all been very complicated but it remains that Joseph is not found after the 1871 census.  I agree that the father of the child born 1875 may not have been Joseph !
I have the death cert. for 1873 in Staffordshire, it wasn't him.
I have this family well documented after the 1871 census but it's just Joseph who is a brickwall.
When Letitia remarried she used the name Whitfield.
Interesting someone has found a marriage in Victoria, Australia - I'm excited by this.
Thanks for all your help.
Regards Pauline

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Australia / Re: JOSEPH WHITFIELD
« on: Saturday 27 October 07 22:57 BST (UK)  »
Suz

Thank you - I had the wrong year even though I have the certificate !  And yes, I agree it should be Davies without the 'e'.

What I suppose I should have said is that I have never found a re marriage for him after 1875, even though his wife was living or a death for him after 1875.

I'm grateful for your help.

Regards Pauline

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Australia / Joseph WHITFIELD
« on: Saturday 27 October 07 15:17 BST (UK)  »
Is there anyone who can help me find my great Grandfather JOSEPH WHITFIELD please ?

He was born 1848 in Workington, Cumberland, England to John and Mary Whitfield (nee Beeby).

In 1869 he married a Letitia Sophia Davies in Workington, Cumberland.

On the 1871 census he was living Dalton in Furness, Lancashire with two sons.  Another son was born 1875 in Durham.

After the 1871 census he has disappeared completely, altho' I know he must have been around in 1875 ish as the birth certificate for his last son shows he was the Father.

I haven't found a correct marriage or death for him in the UK.

At this time he had a successful brother in Australia and I wonder if he went to Australia to seek his fortune ?

Joseph was a Slater by trade but on one census was shown as a Slater/Plasterer.

In 1886 his wife Letitia remarried as a widow, she had been living with her new partner from at least the 1881 census, he was a relative of Joseph which confused things somewhat but that is now all sorted out.

Regards Mary

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